Window nets and PB

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Post by conehunter » Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:43 pm

My .02 cents.
Window nets are almost dangerous at a driving school. If in case of a rollover you'll need the track workers to be able to pull you from that car as quick as possible. Window nets will only hinder there rescue efforts but possibly your own. It's difficult enough to release your 5 or 6 points in a rollover as well as pop off a window net and climb out. I am hoping to bring this up when the time is right. Not sure how the rules are or when they are changed/updated etc.
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Post by Dave_G » Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:36 pm

I'm a rescue worker not on the track, but in my local town. You might be surprised to see how quickly we could cut through a window net.
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Post by mossaidis » Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:14 pm

conehunter wrote:My .02 cents.
Window nets are almost dangerous at a driving school. If in case of a rollover you'll need the track workers to be able to pull you from that car as quick as possible. Window nets will only hinder there rescue efforts but possibly your own. It's difficult enough to release your 5 or 6 points in a rollover as well as pop off a window net and climb out. I am hoping to bring this up when the time is right. Not sure how the rules are or when they are changed/updated etc.
I am guessing conehunter is TomH? LOL! Rules can/should be discussed throughout the year, though rules change submissions can only made after the season is over, Nov/Dec.

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Post by conehunter » Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:41 am

You know its me, and your always representin'. :lol:
If BMWCCA has deemed them unsafe for driver schools i would assume it was for the reason of accessing the driver quicker. Like I said my .02 cents. Plus I don't have them.
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Post by jlwhorf » Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:58 am

If BMWCCA has deemed them unsafe for driver schools i would assume it was for the reason of accessing the driver quicker.
BMWCCA does not allow window nets because they do not want students to have that as an excuse for not giving a point by.

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Post by conehunter » Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:35 pm

jlwhorf wrote:
If BMWCCA has deemed them unsafe for driver schools i would assume it was for the reason of accessing the driver quicker.
BMWCCA does not allow window nets because they do not want students to have that as an excuse for not giving a point by.

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Where did u hear that? We dont let instructors use them either.
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Post by jlwhorf » Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:06 pm

Where did u hear that? We dont let instructors use them either.
I heared that at the drivers meeting at a WMC event.

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Post by Don P » Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:16 pm

Hmmm -

I've instructed for several years with BMWCCA (White Mountain/Boston/Quebec) with my window net securely in place.

When did the practice/rule change?
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Post by conehunter » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:44 am

It must be a club by-law of ours (patroon bmwcca).
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Post by jlwhorf » Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:58 am

I've instructed for several years with BMWCCA (White Mountain/Boston/Quebec) with my window net securely in place.

When did the practice/rule change?
When I attended the Aug 06 WMC event they told us no window nets. I usually run a net, so after the drivers meeting I questioned it with one of the event organizers.

BTW I attended one of their events in the spring of 04, and I believe I ran with a net. That was about the time they changed there insurance, where classifying all non-instructors as students. Therefore requiring students ride with instructors.

My guess would be that not having a net on the passenger side (with an instructor in the seat) would constitute unequal safety.

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window net vs arm restraint

Post by therooster » Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:58 am

I understand that there is no practical difference in safety on the track between the two but operationally it becomes a problem. If you allow an option it becomes a problem for the safety workers as you now expect them to know which cars have window nets and which have arm restraints and that can distract them from other stuff. Do you want to get black flagged for not having a window net just to point out you have arm restraints? I know that I did that a bunch as control over the years. I can tell you that people will not install window nets and then say that they forgot the arm restraints as many a convertable driver told me.

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Re: Arm restraints instead of nets

Post by cuda6666 » Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:52 am

agrabau wrote:I will.
Just wondering...did you ever get around to submitting a rule change proposal to allow arm retraints instead of window nets in P?
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Re: Arm restraints instead of nets

Post by chaos4NH » Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:42 am

cuda6666 wrote:
agrabau wrote:I will.
Just wondering...did you ever get around to submitting a rule change proposal to allow arm retraints instead of window nets in P?
If he has, it has not yet been considered.
On another note, we had a very upset driver at our Oct 25/26 event because he was told to return to the pits for his arm restraints. He was driving an open car and sputtered that SCCA didn not require them. Is that true?
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Re: Window nets and PB

Post by cuda6666 » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:23 am

You'd have to ask Bruce about arm restraints in SCCA.

So, now it's too late to submit a rules change proposal, right?
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Re: Window nets and PB

Post by chaos4NH » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:29 am

You may submit change requests up until the Dec BOD meeting, 12/17/08
submit here: http://www.comscc.org/rules/submission-form/
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