Window nets and PB

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Window nets and PB

Post by agrabau » Fri Aug 10, 2007 2:26 pm

Can I use arm restraints instead of window nets for PB?

Some clubs do windows up, some down, some half up and then some have no rules. I'd like to keep my windows if possible.

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Post by SSNH » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:09 pm

out of curiosity, what does the com rule book say?

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Post by agrabau » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:19 pm

The book says that PB requires a window net but not on convertibles. I'm asking because convertibles, to the best of my limited understanding of the subject use arm restraints. Thus, my deduction that PB cars could possibly use arm restraints as a substitute.
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Post by SSNH » Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:26 pm

http://www.comscc.com/rules/rules2007-03.pdf
xii.1.b wrote:A window safety net must be installed to prevent the driver's arms and/or head from protruding through the window
opening, unless the car is topless.

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Post by agrabau » Fri Aug 10, 2007 4:21 pm

When you asked me earlier about the rulebook were you being sarcastic?

Anyway, my question still stands. I'm trying to understand how my car will need a window net if I add fender flares so I can run the same size tires that STIs use. I guess I'm also asking why if a window in the up position is good enough for SPB why it's not for PB when times have been comparable for the majority of the drivers.


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Post by rajito » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:16 pm

Dude, window up isn't good enough for SPB. I've never run an event where I didn't have both my front windows down.

Unless you meant to say "windows down" instead.

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Post by skid vicious » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:24 pm

can we make rule changes in the middle of a season? or do you have to wait till the winter.

Like raj said sp is windows down, no restraints at pretty much every event. For prepared maybe the rule is like that because a net offers superior protection but is impractical on open cars? just a guess. If not then i guess it shouldnt make a difference.
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Post by skid vicious » Fri Aug 10, 2007 5:26 pm

make some custom t-tops and you can run net free
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Post by agrabau » Fri Aug 10, 2007 6:16 pm

Sorry Raj I meant down.
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Post by agrabau » Mon Aug 13, 2007 1:15 pm

I just ordered a net. When in Rome...
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Post by WillM » Mon Aug 13, 2007 2:49 pm

The Prepared rules are written to mandate the highest level of safety requirement for every car, regardless of configuration. Prepared is the "anything goes" class. Well, anything but nitrous, but you get the point. Cars which have a roof must use window nets. Cars that do not have a roof must use either a window net or arm restraints.

I know the t-top remark was said as a joke, or at least that is the way I read it, or maybe it was said as a jab to to rule. In either case, if someone were to cut t-tops into their roof to skirt a safety rule, the joke is on them.

Glad to read you picked up a window net. :thumbleft: :D
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Post by StephanAlfa » Mon Aug 13, 2007 3:45 pm

agrabau wrote: When in Rome...
Make sure you drive an Alfa... hands off the wheel, tie your fingers together in obsence gesture and say: Ma Che?! :lol:


You are right Will. Safety should always be priority Zero with COM.
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Post by brucesallen » Tue Aug 14, 2007 12:08 pm

I can see arm restraints being acceptable instead of window nets. But no rule changes are allowed during the season. Propose a rule change in November for next year.
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Post by agrabau » Tue Aug 14, 2007 4:46 pm

I will.
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Post by JackFFR1846 » Sun Sep 23, 2007 9:43 pm

WillM wrote:The Prepared rules are written to mandate the highest level of safety requirement for every car, regardless of configuration. Prepared is the "anything goes" class. Well, anything but nitrous, but you get the point. Cars which have a roof must use window nets. Cars that do not have a roof must use either a window net or arm restraints.

I know the t-top remark was said as a joke, or at least that is the way I read it, or maybe it was said as a jab to to rule. In either case, if someone were to cut t-tops into their roof to skirt a safety rule, the joke is on them.

Glad to read you picked up a window net. :thumbleft: :D
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