99-01 911 Carrera on the track or 01-03 Z06

[tmak26b]

I am thinking about selling my 04 350Z for a 99-01 911 or 01-03 Z06 on the track. I am looking for a car that I can use as a daily driver as well as track events and autox. I know both cars i am looking at are faster cars than the Z, but just how bigh do you guys think the gap is? I am judging stock vs stock.

I think a Z06 on something like the RA1 will probably get mid 59s or low 60s at a track like Lime Rock

99-01 996 will do 61-62 maybe?

Anyone seen the cars I mentioned above do those laps?

[DanDarcy]

There were 2 2001-2004 Z06s at Nov. 2006 LRP . Both were under 1:00 in the time trials, one set the record for SSU at 59.6 , the other was just behind it. I beleive one was on Nittos. I had a 2001 Z06, they are an incredible car, easy to go fast in yet 25-28 mpg on the street.

[JackFFR1846]

I thought there was a rule that anyone requesting to change cars from a previous season was required to get a Miata.


jack (one of the few without a miata)

[DanDarcy]

That rule is true When I went from the Z06 to the Mustang Cobra I had to buy a Miata just to switch, but the Miata was so slow I could never get it to the track on time for an event so I just sold it to Neal Johnson .He's done 3 student days --- they are good for that.

[enjoythemusic]

I am thinking about selling my 04 350Z for a 99-01 911 or 01-03 Z06 on the track.
Anyone seen the cars I mentioned above do those laps?

On video (YouTube?) i think there is a Z06 video of under 1 minute. As for cars, agree with Dan, get the Vette.

I thought there was a rule that anyone requesting to change cars from a previous season was required to get a Miata.
jack (one of the few without a miata)

LOL!

To better reflect the Miata crowd, shall we change the name of the club to MOM Sport?

[DanDarcy]

Steve wrote

To better reflect the Miata crowd, shall we change the name of the club to MOM Sport?

We could still be COM ----- Club of Miatas

[tmak26b]

What about a stock 996, what do they run? I dont see them much running

[lou m]

My 2 cents while I wait to fix my camaro and am putting the finishing touches on my GLHS.

Vette owners chime in. You would probably want a diff cooler and big oil cooler to run long sessions in 90 degree heat. The brakes are okay but most serious vettes run a Porsche 911 brake conversion up front for track use.

At nhis in 90 plus degree heat I got the oil temp light lit in a C5 Z06 after a dozen laps or so.

The 911 you can pretty much beat the snot out of it. There is no street based car faster out of turn 3 and up the hill at nhis than a 911.

Both are great cars. You can't go wrong either way and I'm jealous!

[tju-vette]

Vette owners chime in.

I have a C4 and my total number of track days has not quite hit double digits yet so I'm far from an expert but ...

You would probably want a diff cooler and big oil cooler to run long sessions in 90 degree heat..

Coolers are always a plus on the vettes. I don't think you need to go too "big" on the oil cooler, especially running a synthetic oil but a cooler will certainly help.

The brakes are okay but most serious vettes run a Porsche 911 brake conversion up front for track use.

That's the first I've heard that, of course I may not be in the know. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that "thems is fightin' words" to most vette owners

There is no street based car faster out of turn 3 and up the hill at nhis than a 911

I'd like to see a head to head with the new C6Z06.

Both are great cars. You can't go wrong either way and I'm jealous!

I think it comes down bang for the buck. Forgive me for being so pragmatic. Which one is cheaper to buy? Then cheaper to maintain & service? Which one has lower costs for consumables like tires & brakes? I know there is a TON of info for setup (even stock classes) for the Z06. There may be for the P-car as well but I don't spend a lot of time on those forums.

Either should be fun though.

[lou m]

I'm in agreement. I do spend some time on the ls1 forums and alot of guys posting do the porsche conversion and love it.
C6Z06 uphill at nhis. I would like to see it too!!! (course, from either of my drivers seats i wouldn't be watching for long. It kind of sucks that some of these new cars are so unbelievably fast, even on street tires.
Grassroots guys driving turbo shoe boxes just can't keep up.

[tju-vette]

I do spend some time on the ls1 forums and alot of guys posting do the porsche conversion and love it.

Wow, that surprises me. Are they mostly Vette guys or Camaro/Firebird guys? The LS1 was used in the F-Bodies too right?

C6Z06 uphill at nhis. I would like to see it too!!! (course, from either of my drivers seats i wouldn't be watching for long)

I rode with one of my instructors who has one and it was amazing. The amount of torque it had was unbelievable. I rode with that same instructor @ LRP and he made a move to pass as we came out the Esses and into No Name and I would have sworn up and down that he downshifted the way the car pulled but he said "Nope, stayed in 3rd and just jumped on the gas".

[lou m]

Vette guys. The F body guys are mostly talking about installing 150 hp NOS setups...

I'm a little surprised to hear that a new z06 could really put all the power down coming out of 3, but you were there.

I have been behind James Laughlin and Peter Fail in 3 and those guys are just WOT putting the power down.

John Spain's student had a new z06 at the glen. He was totally impressed with it. (It was way faster than the miata )

Ok miata guys, go ahead, start slinging it...

[tju-vette]

I'm a little surprised to hear that a new z06 could really put all the power down coming out of 3, but you were there.

I think alot of it has to do with knowing HOW to do it (i.e. he's run vettes with COM way back, former T1 & GT1 racer, currently instructing with a C6Z06, you get the picture) and not everyone would be able to, at least not well.

His car is not entirely stock either, he was developing a coil over package @ NHIS that day and had used Hoosiers on all four corners.

He was completely stock @ LRP though, with the exception of Michelin Pilot Sport Cups.

[jrottn]

I read an article on the new Z06 vs. viper a while back
In the quarter mile the Z06 posted a slightly quicker time but everyone who tested the car said controlling wheel spin was a serious problem (sounds like a good problem to me)
Z06 vs. a 911 with similar power (turbo) in turn 3 ?
911 all day (no bias in this opinion!)

[DanB]

The C5 and C6 Corvettes seem to have traded away better weight distribution for legroom and a longer wheelbase. C4s were 50/50, C5 and C6 more like 53/47.

I never liked the idea of having the transmission back with the diff, even the Porsche embodiments. Rather than providing a more even weight distribution, it seems to me it just pushes the rear wheels aft, giving worse weight distribution (more weight up front).

Obviously the C5 was overall a huge improvement over the C4, but that's one area where, I believe, the best performance solution was discarded in favor of better ergos.

Of course development of shocks/springs/swaybar settings can improve things, but much less percentage of static weight on the rears means reduced drive up the hill at 3-4 at NHIS.