Classes Revised for 2007

[nateh]

The following Showroom Stock Classes were adopted by the Board at its meeting on October 15. ST classifications also change accordingly, as specified in the rules. Prepared classes are not affected.

Several other rules changes were also approved.

The Board will discuss additional rules proposals at its November meeting.

COMSCC Showroom Stock Reclassifications for 2007

SSU:
• Audi RS6
• BMW E46 M3, M Coupe/Roadster S54, V8 NOC, V10; M6; 2006 M5
• Chevrolet Corvette 1991+ NOC
• Dodge Viper
• Ferrari NOC
• Ford Mustang SVT Cobra 1999-2001, 2003-2004; 1995, 2000 Cobra R
• Lamborghini, all models
• Lotus Esprit 8-cyl turbo
• Pantera
• Porsche 911 Turbo, 993, 996, 997, 928 GTS
• Toyota Supra Twin Turbo

SSGT:
• Audi V8 normally aspirated, S6, S4
• BMW E36 M3, E28, E34 M5; E39 540; M Coupe/Roadster S52
• Chevrolet Camaro SS Ram Air, 1LE, SLP, Corvette C4 1985-91 except ZR1
• Dodge Stealth Turbo,
• Ferrari 328
• Ford Mustang V8 NOC, 1993 Cobra R, F150 Lightning
• Lotus Esprit 4-cyl Turbo, Elise S2, Exige
• Lexus GS400
• Maserati, all models
• Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4 Turbo, Lancer Evolution
• Nissan 300ZX V6 Twin Turbo, 350Z
• Mazda RX7 Twin Turbo
• Pontiac Firebird Formula, Solstice Turbo
• Porsche 911 3.2L, 944 Turbo, Turbo S, Boxster S, 928 5.0L, Cayman S
• Saturn Sky Turbo
• Subaru WRX STi

SSA:
• Acura TL, RSX Type S, NSX
• Audi A4 NOC
• BMW E46 328, 330; E30 M3; Z3 2.8L; 528, 535, 633, 635; Z4; M5 NOC
• Chevrolet Camaro V8 (except SS Ram Air, 1LE, SLP), V8 NOC, Malibu V8
• Chrysler Corp., mass-produced FWD intercooled turbo, Shelby GLHS
• Corvette (solid rear axle), C4 1984
• Datsun/Nissan 280ZX Turbo, 300ZX Turbo 1984-89, 300ZX normally aspirated 1990-96
• Dodge Stealth normally aspirated, Neon SRT-4
• Eagle Talon turbo
• Ferrari 308
• Ford Mustang V8 1982-2004 solid rear axle, pre-1996 Cobra, V8 trucks/SUV's
• GM V8 Trucks/SUV's
• Honda S2000
• Mazda RX7 13B Turbo, RX8, Mazdaspeed Miata, Mazda6 V6, Mazdaspeed 3, Mazdaspeed 6
• Mercedes Benz 190E 12v and 16v
• Mercury Capri 302
• Mitsubishi 3000 GT normally aspirated
• Nissan 300ZX V6 normally aspirated, Altima 3.5, Maxima 3.5
• Pontiac Trans Am, Firebird except Formula
• Porsche 911 2.7-3.0L normally aspirated, 944S, 944S2, 968, Boxster, Cayman, 924 Turbo, 928 4.7L and under
• Saab 9000 Aero, Viggen
• Subaru WRX 2001-2005, Legacy GT
• Toyota Supra 3.0, MR2 turbo
• Volvo 5-cyl turbo
• VW Golf R32

SSB:
• Acura Legend, Integra Type R, Integra GSR 1.7, Integra VTEC, RSX, TSX
• Alfa Romeo Sprint Veloce, Sports Sedan , GTV-6, Milano 3.0
• Audi A4 V6 2.8 and 1.8L turbo
• BMW E30 325; E36 325, 328; E46 323, 325; E39 525, E28, E34 525; Z3 1.9, 2.5
• Chevrolet Beretta GTZ, Camaro 6 cyl, Monza 2+2
• Datsun/Nissan 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, 300ZX 1984-89 normally aspirated
• Dodge Shelby Charger, Omni GLH turbo, Neon ACR
• Ford 302 Mustang II, Mach I, Cobra II, V6 1999+, SVO, 4 cyl Turbo; T-bird Turbo, SC; '89 Cougar, Contour, Focus SVT
• Ford Taurus SHO, Probe turbo and V6
• Honda Prelude VTEC, Si 92-93; Del Sol VTEC, Civic SI 2002+
• Lexus IS300 6 cyl
• Mazda RX7 13B IRS, MX6GT, Miata 1999-2005, MX-5 2006+, Mazdaspeed Protégé
• Mercedes Benz 190E 8v
• Merkur XR4Ti
• Mini Cooper S (supercharged) 2002+
• Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo, Galant VR4, Mirage 16v Turbo
• Nissan 200SX 3.0, Sentra SE-R Spec V, Sentra SE-R 2002+, 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, Maxima 3.0L and less
• Oldsmobile Starfire Firenza, 305, Quad 4
• Peugeot 505 Turbo '88 and newer
• Plymouth Laser Turbo, Quad 4
• Pontiac Trans Am NOC, Fiero V6, Solstice NA
• Porsche 944 8v, 924S, 924, 911 under 2.4L
• Saab 900 Turbo, 9000 Turbo, 9-3 4-cyl Turbo
• Saturn Sky NA
• Subaru 2.5L+ normally aspirated
• Toyota Celica 4WD Turbo, GTS 2000+, Supra 2.8, MR2 supercharged, MR2 normally aspirated 1990-1995, MR-S
• Triumph TR8
• Volvo 4 cyl Turbo, 850
• VW Golf V6, Jetta V6, Corrado V6, 1.8 Turbo; Corrado G60, New Beetle Turbo

SSC:
• Acura Integra 3 door
• Alfa Romeo Alfetta, GT, Spider 2000, Milano 2.5
• AMC Spirit, DL, GT Liftback 258, 4 spd.
• Audi Fox, Coupe, 4000, 5000, 80, 90 (including all Quattros)
• BMW all 2.0L and less normally aspirated NOC
• Buick Opel Isuzu, Skylark, 1.8 HO or 2.0, Skylark, 23i, Skyhawk, 2.8 HO, 4 spd., Skyhawk Turbo
• Chevrolet Chevette, Monza, 4 cyl, Cavalier 4 cyl, Citation 4 cyl, FWD V6, Nova 16v
• Datsun/Nissan 210, 310, 510, 610, 710, and F-10, 200SX NOC.
• Dodge Colt, Colt Turbo, Daytona, GT2000, Charger 2.2, Neon except ACR, 1600, Omni, Omni GLH normally aspirated, Challenger 2.5, 024 1.7, 2.2, 2600
• Eagle Talon normally aspirated
• Fiat 124 Sport Spyder, 131, Spyder 2000, X1/9, 128 Sedan, Strada 1500, 5 spd.
• Ford Fiesta, EXP 1.6 HO (non-turbo), Pinto, Escort GT 16V and 4 cyl, Focus 2.0, 2.3, Mustang 4 cyl, V6 1964-1998
• Geo Prism GSI, Storm GSI
• Honda Civic, Civic Si 1975-2001, CVCC, Accord, CRX, CRX Si, Prelude 2.0
• Isuzu I-Mark Coupe, RS
• Mazda Protege, 808, 1600, GLC, GLC Sport, 626, 626 Turbo, 323, Miata 1990-1997, RX3, RX4, RX7 1979-1985, MX3, Mazda3, Mazda6 NOC
• Mercury Bobcat 2.3, LN7 1.6 HO, Lynx, Tracer LTS, Capri 4 cyl and V6; Tracer LTS
• MGB, MG Midget 1500
• Mini Cooper normally aspirated
• Mitsubishi Eclipse, Galant normally aspirated; Mirage 8-valve turbo, Lancer normally aspirated
• Nissan 1991 NX 1600 & NX 2000, Nissan 240SX, 200SX Turbo, Pulsar 1.8 DOHC, Sentra SE-R pre-2002
• Oldsmobile Firenza, 1.8 SOHC, 2.0, Starfire, V6, Omega, 2.8 HO
• Opel NOC
• Peugeot 505, 505 Turbo, 405 Mi16
• Plymouth Laser normally aspirated, Horizon, TC-3, Arrow 1600, GT, Champ 1.6
• Pontiac Phoenix 2.8 HO, Sunbird Turbo, all 4-cyl normally aspirated
• Porsche 912, 914 4 cyl
• Renault Fuego Turbo, 1.6, Fuego 2.2, LeCar, Alliance, Encore, GTA
• Saab 900 and 9000 16V normally aspirated
• Saab 99, 900 and 9000 16V normally aspirated
• Saturn NOC
• Subaru normally aspirated 2.2L and under
• Suzuki Swift GTI
• Toyota Celica GTS 16v 1982-93, Corolla GTS, FX-16, (1.6 & 2.2), MR2 1985-1989 normally aspirated, Corolla, Corona, Starlet 1.3 5spd., Celica, GTS, GT, ST, GT Liftback
• Triumph 4-cyl, GT6
• Volvo 242/4, GT
• VW Rabbit, Golf, GTI, Scirocco, all 8 valve, GTI 16v, Jetta 16v, Scirocco 16v, New Beetle 2.0L

[rajito]

Oh
my
god!

The STi in SSGT??

Does that mean it would end up in ST1?

This will be SCCA T2 all over again.
Raj

[mossaidis]

A friend of mine owns a SSC 99 Honda Civic Si and claims to run LRP at 1:04.6. I'm sure he's an awesome driver, but it made me rethink SS classifications for the Civic. I ran down the list again that Nate posted above and found the oddity. Strictly based on numbers, I found the following from edmunds.com:

Year Model Weight HP lbs/hp Torque ft-lbs/lbs Notes Current COM Class
89 Civic Si 2185 108 20.23 100 21.85 Other reference SSC
90 (-91) CRX Si 2174 108 20.13 100 21.74 Edmunds SSC
92 (-95) Civic Si 2326 125 18.61 106 21.94 Edmunds SSC
(99-) 00 Civic Si 2601 160 16.26 111 23.43 Edmunds SSC
02 (-05) Civic Si 2744 160 17.15 132 20.79 Edmunds SSB
06 Civic Si 2877 197 14.6 139 20.7 Edmunds SSB
94 Nissan SER 2467 140 17.62 132 18.69 Edmunds SSC

(I posted the SER as a general reference). Anyway, the 02-05 Si is rated 17.15 lbs/hp and is in SSB where as the 99-00 Si is rated even better at 16.26 lbs/hp and is in SSC where most other civic's are over 18.6 lbs/hp.

did I miss something? something more compelling that I have not noticed? torque?

Based on Honda relative data, I would guess that 99-00 Civic Si belongs in SSB, where as 02-05 Civic Si belongs in SSC. I can't agrue for "stock" performance levels, but I know Honda gurus all argee that the double-wishbone suspension of the 99-00 is far suporior to the suspension in the 02-05, which prompted Honda to change things in the 06+ Si models. The double-wishbone suspension would make a signficant difference when applying suspension upgrades in ST and up.

[Seven]

Oh
my
god!

The STi in SSGT??

Does that mean it would end up in ST1?

This will be SCCA T2 all over again.
Raj

Not to knock the massive amount of work that, I'm sure, has been invested in defining the new classifications, but......... this example really jumps off the page. How could much faith be placed on these revisions when an STI is bumped DOWN a class. Anyway who's even paying a little attention sees how extremely well prepared these cars out of the box. It's as easy as this...look at the results. Furthermore, it seems clear that certain vehicles should be bumped out of the SS category right from the factory, the most obvious example is the ZO6 C6. By bumping the factory "Super Cars" into ST groups is would be easier to properly categorize the remainder of the "normal" production vehicles.

[rajito]

Jeff,

Using the STi classification as an example and writing off the whole new classification system is as unwise as finding one bad apple and throwing the whole basket away for it. I doubt there's any classification system in racing that makes everyone happy.

With that being said, I agree that the STi/Evo could be class killers in SSGT/ST1, and enough of us drive STi's and Evo's to upset the SSGT/ST1 regulars.

In SSU/STGT, they will get killed by Z06's and C6's, which are appearing more regularly at events now.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but the rules can't be structured in a manner that will leave us with 90 different SS classes. Every class will have its 800lb gorilla.

Raj

[xstar]

Oh
my
god!

The STi in SSGT??

Does that mean it would end up in ST1?

This will be SCCA T2 all over again.
Raj

Not to knock the massive amount of work that, I'm sure, has been invested in defining the new classifications, but......... this example really jumps off the page. How could much faith be placed on these revisions when an STI is bumped DOWN a class. Anyway who's even paying a little attention sees how extremely well prepared these cars out of the box. It's as easy as this...look at the results. Furthermore, it seems clear that certain vehicles should be bumped out of the SS category right from the factory, the most obvious example is the ZO6 C6. By bumping the factory "Super Cars" into ST groups is would be easier to properly categorize the remainder of the "normal" production vehicles.

Jeff, what do you suggest?

[Tsurara]

Furthermore, it seems clear that certain vehicles should be bumped out of the SS category right from the factory, the most obvious example is the ZO6 C6. By bumping the factory "Super Cars" into ST groups is would be easier to properly categorize the remainder of the "normal" production vehicles.

I agree with this part. It is just impossible to keep up with the Z06 Vettes, the last two events they were a good 5 seconds faster than the rest of the crowd bone stock.

[TTA89]

I can't wait to get a C5 Z06 in the spring.

Here little Sti.... here boy.

[TroyV]

Dumb question... What does NOC stand for?

[Mark Swinehart]

Not Otherwise Classed

[rajito]

I can't wait to get a C5 Z06 in the spring.

Here little Sti.... here boy.

I'm flattered that someone would resort to such measures to beat the STi .

The STi is, after all, a humble grocery getter that puts down only 230hp to the wheels on an all wheel dyno, runs on skinny 235 wide tires, weighs in at a corpulent 3350lbs, and has springs that are softer than RyanC's head.

Raj

[TTA89]

I can't wait to get a C5 Z06 in the spring.

Here little Sti.... here boy.

I'm flattered that someone would resort to such measures to beat the STi .

From one street driven racecar to another, it is what it is.

The STi is, after all, a humble grocery getter that puts down only 230hp to the wheels on an all wheel dyno, runs on skinny 235 wide tires, weighs in at a corpulent 3350lbs, and has springs that are softer than RyanC's head.

Raj

So the Z06 puts down much more power, has much bigger tires, it weighs at least 200lbs less, has a track tuned suspension AND its in the same class? I like these odds!

btw, I hear the Z06 has a pretty good size trunk for grocery shopping. Although most of the space will probably be used for all those trophies its going to steal from the STis next year.

[rajito]

Welcome to SSU Next season cannot begin soon enough.

Raj

[Seven]

Jeff,

Using the STi classification as an example and writing off the whole new classification system is as unwise as finding one bad apple and throwing the whole basket away for it. I doubt there's any classification system in racing that makes everyone happy.

Raj

I apologize for jumping-in with a disparaging post w/o backing it up with concrete proposals for improving that which I am criticizing... in my book this is bad form.

However, by the same token, it's hard to casually review the classifications and NOT comment about some perceived shortcomings.

With that being said, I agree that the STi/Evo could be class killers in SSGT/ST1, and enough of us drive STi's and Evo's to upset the SSGT/ST1 regulars.

In SSU/STGT, they will get killed by Z06's and C6's, which are appearing more regularly at events now.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but the rules can't be structured in a manner that will leave us with 90 different SS classes. Every class will have its 800lb gorilla.

Raj

I guess if I were to offer the beginnings of a proposed solution, I would follow-up with my previous post. We shouldn't necessarily create additional SS classes, rather, we should categorize Super-cars as ST from the factory.

For porsche lovers...why should C2 993 be in the same class as a 996 turbo?

For Vettes ... why should a C5 be in the same class as a ZO6?

For Ferrari ... why should a 348 be in the same class as a 360?

How about a 1999 Mustang Cobra versus a 2006 Viper Coupe?

It seems reasonable to bump the elite vehicles to STGT while keeping the next tier @ SSU. I mean be real, a 1995? lexus GS400 versus a '07 STi in SSGT???

One more point, if you have a C5 and go about modifying it so it is mechanically identical to a ZO6 you would be in SPA while the ZO6 would be in SSU, how does that make sense? At a minimum it seems that factory tuned vehicles should be more closely scrutinized particularly in relation to the more "showroom stock" version of that same car. Btw, this same example holds true for WRXs

[PaddyMcP]

Good job Nate!!!