Closing in on Classifications

[nateh]

Here is the latest version of the SS Reclassifications for 2007. The re-vamp will be voted on at the Board Meeting on Nov. 15.

For more background on this topic, see the previous thread at:
viewtopic.php?t=666

COMSCC Showroom Stock Reclassifications Proposal as of 10-27-06

SSU:
• Audi RS6
• BMW E46 M3, M Coupe/Roadster S54, V8 NOC, V10
• Chevrolet Corvette 1991+ NOC
• Dodge Stealth Turbo, Viper
• Ferrari NOC
• Ford Mustang SVT Cobra 2003-2004, 1995, 2000 Cobra R
• Lamborghini, all models
• Lotus Esprit 8-cyl turbo
• Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4 Turbo, Lancer Evolution
• Nissan 300ZX V6 Twin Turbo, 350Z
• Pantera
• Porsche 911 Turbo, 993, 996, 997, 928 GTS
• Subaru WRX STI
• Toyota Supra Twin Turbo

SSGT:
• Acura NSX
• Audi V8 normally aspirated, S6, S4
• BMW E36 M3, E46 330, E28, E34 M5; M6; E39 540; M Coupe/Roadster S52, Z4 3.0i
• Chevrolet Camaro SS Ram Air, 1LE, SLP, Corvette C4 1985-91 except ZR1
• Ferrari 328
• Ford Mustang V8 1996-2001 Cobra, 1993 Cobra R, F150 Lightning
• Lotus Esprit 4-cyl Turbo, Elise S2, Exige
• Lexus GS400
• Maserati, all models
• Mazda RX7 Twin Turbo
• Pontiac Firebird Formula, Solstice Turbo
• Porsche 911 3.2L, 944 Turbo, Turbo S, Boxster S, 928 5.0L, Cayman S
• Saturn Sky Turbo

SSA:
• Acura TL, RSX Type S
• Audi A4 NOC
• BMW E36 328; E46 323, 325, 328; Z3 2.8L, 528, 535, 633, 635, Z4 2.5i, E30 M3
• Chevrolet Camaro V8 (except SS Ram Air, 1LE, SLP), V8 NOC, Malibu V8
• Chrysler Corp., mass-produced FWD intercooled turbo, Shelby GLHS
• Corvette (solid rear axle), C4 1984
• Datsun/Nissan 280ZX Turbo, 300ZX Turbo 1984-89, 300ZX normally aspirated 1990-96
• Dodge Stealth normally aspirated, Neon SRT-4
• Ferrari 308
• Ford Mustang SVO, V8 1982-2004 solid rear axle, pre-1996 Cobra, V8 trucks/SUV's
• GM V8 Trucks/SUV's
• Honda S2000
• Mazda RX7 13B Turbo, RX8, Mazdaspeed Miata, Mazda6 V6, Mazdaspeed 3, Mazdaspeed 6
• Mercedes Benz 190E 12v and 16v
• Mercury Capri 302
• Mitsubishi 3000 GT normally aspirated
• Nissan 300ZX V6 normally aspirated, Altima 3.5, Maxima 3.5
• Pontiac Trans Am, Firebird except Formula
• Porsche 911 2.7-3.0L normally aspirated, 944S, 944S2, 968, Boxster, 924 Turbo, 928 4.7L and under
• Saab 9000 Aero
• Subaru WRX 2001-2005, Legacy GT
• Toyota Supra 3.0, MR2 turbo
• Volvo 5-cyl turbo
• VW Golf R32

SSB:
• Acura Legend, Integra Type R, Integra GSR 1.7, Integra VTEC, RSX, TSX
• Alfa Romeo Sprint Veloce, Sports Sedan , GTV-6, Milano 3.0
• Audi A4 V6 2.8 and 1.8L turbo
• BMW E30 325; E36 325; E39 525, E28, E34 525, Z3 1.9, 2.5
• Chevrolet Beretta GTZ, Camaro 6 cyl, Monza 2+2
• Datsun/Nissan 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, 300ZX 1984-89 normally aspirated
• Dodge Shelby Charger, Omni GLH turbo, Neon ACR
• Eagle Talon turbo
• Ford 302 Mustang II, Mach I, Cobra II, V6 1999+, 4 cyl Turbo; T-bird Turbo, SC; '89 Cougar, Contour, Focus SVT
• Ford Taurus SHO, Probe turbo and V6
• Honda Prelude VTEC, Si 92-93; Del Sol VTEC, Civic SI 2002+
• Lexus IS300 6 cyl
• Mazda RX7 13B IRS, MX6GT, Miata 1999-2005, MX-5 2006+, Mazdaspeed Protégé
• Mercedes Benz 190E 8v
• Merkur XR4Ti
• Mini Cooper S (supercharged) 2002+
• Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo, Galant VR4, Mirage 16v Turbo
• Nissan 200SX 3.0, Sentra SE-R Spec V, Sentra SE-R 2002+, 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, Maxima 3.0L and less
• Oldsmobile Starfire Firenza, 305, Quad 4
• Peugeot 505 Turbo '88 and newer
• Plymouth Laser Turbo, Quad 4
• Pontiac Trans Am NOC, Fiero V6, Solstice NA
• Porsche 944 8v, 924S, 924, 911 under 2.4L
• Saab 900 Turbo, 9000 Turbo, 9-3 4-cyl Turbo
• Saturn Sky NA
• Subaru 2.5L+ normally aspirated
• Toyota Celica 4WD Turbo, GTS 2000+, Supra 2.8, MR2 supercharged, MR2 normally aspirated 1990-1995, MR-S
• Triumph TR8
• Volvo 4 cyl Turbo, 850
• VW Golf V6, Jetta V6, Corrado V6, 1.8 Turbo; Corrado G60, New Beetle Turbo

SSC:
• Acura Integra 3 door
• Alfa Romeo Alfetta, GT, Spider 2000, Milano 2.5
• AMC Spirit, DL, GT Liftback 258, 4 spd.
• Audi Fox, Coupe, 4000, 5000, 80, 90 (including all Quattros)
• BMW all 2.0L and less normally aspirated NOC
• Buick Opel Isuzu, Skylark, 1.8 HO or 2.0, Skylark, 23i, Skyhawk, 2.8 HO, 4 spd., Skyhawk Turbo
• Chevrolet Chevette, Monza, 4 cyl, Cavalier 4 cyl, Citation 4 cyl, FWD V6, Nova 16v
• Datsun/Nissan 210, 310, 510, 610, 710, and F-10, 200SX 2.2 5 spd.
• Dodge Colt, Colt Turbo, Daytona, GT2000, Charger 2.2, Neon except ACR, 1600, Omni, Omni GLH normally aspirated, Challenger 2.5, 024 1.7, 2.2, 2600
• Eagle Talon normally aspirated
• Fiat 124 Sport Spyder, 131, Spyder 2000, X1/9, 128 Sedan, Strada 1500, 5 spd.
• Ford Fiesta, EXP 1.6 HO (non-turbo), Pinto, Escort GT 16V and 4 cyl, Focus 2.0, 2.3, Mustang 4 cyl, V6 1964-1998
• Geo Prism GSI, Storm GSI
• Honda Civic, Civic Si 1975-2001, CVCC, Accord, CRX, CRX Si, Prelude 2.0
• Isuzu I-Mark Coupe, RS
• Mazda Protege, 808, 1600, GLC, GLC Sport, 626, 626 Turbo, 323, Miata 1990-1997, RX3, RX4, RX7 1979-1985, MX3, Mazda3, Mazda6 NOC
• Mercury Bobcat 2.3, LN7 1.6 HO, Lynx, Tracer LTS, Capri 4 cyl and V6; Tracer LTS
• MGB, MG Midget 1500
• Mini Cooper normally aspirated
• Mitsubishi Eclipse, Galant normally aspirated; Mirage 8-valve turbo, Lancer normally aspirated
• Nissan 1991 NX 1600 & NX 2000, Nissan 240SX, 200SX Turbo, Pulsar 1.8 DOHC, Sentra SE-R pre-2002
• Oldsmobile Firenza, 1.8 SOHC, 2.0, Starfire, V6, Omega, 2.8 HO
• Opel NOC
• Peugeot 505, 505 Turbo, 405 Mi16
• Plymouth Laser normally aspirated, Horizon, TC-3, Arrow 1600, GT, Champ 1.6
• Pontiac Phoenix 2.8 HO, Sunbird Turbo, all 4-cyl normally aspirated
• Porsche 912, 914 4 cyl
• Renault Fuego Turbo, 1.6, Fuego 2.2, LeCar, Alliance, Encore, GTA
• Saab 900 and 9000 16V normally aspirated
• Saab 99, 900 and 9000 16V normally aspirated
• Saturn NOC
• Subaru normally aspirated 2.2L and under
• Suzuki Swift GTI
• Toyota Celica GTS 16v 1982-93, Corolla GTS, FX-16, (1.6 & 2.2), MR2 1985-1989 normally aspirated, Corolla, Corona, Starlet 1.3 5spd., Celica, GTS, GT, ST, GT Liftback
• Triumph 4-cyl, GT6
• Volvo 242/4, GT
• VW Rabbit, Golf, GTI, Scirocco, all 8 valve, GTI 16v, Jetta 16v, Scirocco 16v, New Beetle 2.0L

[rajito]

So the WRX is going back to SSA/ST2? The 06 WRX has a 2.5L turbo instead of a 2.0 turbo. It allegedly doesn't make a lot more power, but I think that's BS. Would it go in SSA or SSGT?

Raj

[rnoonan]

FYI, if the Porsche Boxster non-S is in SSA, the Cayman non-S should be in that class, too. (Boxster gets a 5 hp increase in power in 2007; Cayman has the same engine.)

-= Rick =-

[chaos4NH]

Hhhmmmm, 165hp Sentra 2002 against a 197hp Civic SI? Or a Saab Viggen Turbo? A Mustang SVO? And, I would hope you note there is a huge difference between the SER and SER SpecV. i.e.: Limited slip, sport suspension, 6 speed box, helical gear front differential, 17X7 wheels vs. 16x6, Brembo brake package), and that makes the published 10 HP increase seem like 25 HP or more. Just asking for another look see, the Non Spec V is not even close to todays SSA cars which become SSB if these changes take place. Unfortunately, I do not have indepth road/track test comparisons to throw your way, but, since I give up 2-3 secs to the present SSB cars (soon to be SSC), I can't imagine running with todays SSA guys!


Thanks for your hard work, can't make us all happy, I know.

[WillM]

So the WRX is going back to SSA/ST2? The 06 WRX has a 2.5L turbo instead of a 2.0 turbo. It allegedly doesn't make a lot more power, but I think that's BS. Would it go in SSA or SSGT?

I think the 06 WRX would stay in SSA. For what it's worth, I read a recent head-to-head review of the 06 WRX and Mazdaspeed3. Seems like a good match-up!

A fast car (the Speed 3 is on order), a bass boat, an Uzi, ya and the fast gal, keeps a guy happy!!

MazdaSpeed3? Cool!! Can't wait to see one on the track. Saw a black one at the dealership a few days ago. Looks nice, and the reviews are fairly impressive!

[nateh]

FYI, if the Porsche Boxster non-S is in SSA, the Cayman non-S should be in that class, too. (Boxster gets a 5 hp increase in power in 2007; Cayman has the same engine.)

Oversight on my part. I will fix it.

[nateh]

Hhhmmmm, 165hp Sentra 2002 against a 197hp Civic SI? Or a Saab Viggen Turbo? A Mustang SVO? And, I would hope you note there is a huge difference between the SER and SER SpecV. i.e.: Limited slip, sport suspension, 6 speed box, helical gear front differential, 17X7 wheels vs. 16x6, Brembo brake package), and that makes the published 10 HP increase seem like 25 HP or more. Just asking for another look see, the Non Spec V is not even close to todays SSA cars which become SSB if these changes take place.

2002 Civic SI is only 160 hp - definitely SSB. SVO is in SSA above - but its specs are weak; I think it should move down to SSB. The Viggen isn't in the above list, but its specs are similar to the 9000 Aero - I'll add it to SSA. SER 2002+ Spec V are not identical, but they are both in the mid-range of SSB.

[chaos4NH]

OK. But we have a 197 hp 2006 Civic SI running in SSA under present rules. Where will that go in new rules? Like I said I can't imagine running against that. I mean the Lexus IS 6 cyl is bad enough, or for that matter, the Supercharged Minis.
Don't mean to argue any of it, just can't see where it shakes out.
I guess I have to run the Speed 3, paid for or not.
NO, JOHN, I won't let you break it on fo me! Hate that word break!

[StephanAlfa]

Hi Nate:
Alga Romeo GT is SSC Class??? A demotion of sorts??? fine by me. PLs confirm. Those new cars are getting ay too competitive for my 60's technology.
Stephan

[StephanAlfa]

Another question Nate:
Last year I proposed - for the sake of safety - that all SSB class (that would be the same for SSC and even SSA) have urethane bushings (you know how NHIS eats bushings!!!) w/o changing classes.
Comments please.
Stephan

[denndy]

[quote="nateh"]Here is the latest version of the SS Reclassifications for 2007. The re-vamp will be voted on at the Board Meeting on Nov. 15.

I remember the discussions at last year's meeting and it appears that the issues raised have been addressed. I'm sure there will be new issues that arise as we run against this new classification, but I see no obvious shortcomings. Will be interesting to see how the 2006+ MX-5 does as we get more of them into the club.

Thanks for all the hard work and angst of everyone that contributed to making this a viable, well thought out update.

Dennis

[chaos4NH]

Hi Nate,
Quick question: I am looking at a 1996 Nissan 200SX SE-R (2.0 liter, 140 HP, same as Sentra SE-R). Would that also run in SSC? Hope to find out before eBay bidding ends around 700PM tonight.
Thanks!!
Sam

[chaos4NH]

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[nateh]

But we have a 197 hp 2006 Civic SI running in SSA under present rules. Where will that go in new rules?

Even with the increased horsepower, its specs still put it well within SSB for 2007.

[nateh]

Another question Nate:
Last year I proposed - for the sake of safety - that all SSB class (that would be the same for SSC and even SSA) have urethane bushings (you know how NHIS eats bushings!!!) w/o changing classes.

Sorry, I don't know much about that. I suggest you propose it using the form on the web site (comscc.org).