Great event WGI

[savage217]

Nick,

That was quite a spin. I "walked"/drove the track after the track closed on day 1, and stopped the truck and got out at the exit of 5. The curbing there has huge rumble strips cut into it, and the strips retain water. I don't know when it last rained at WGI, but I was surprised that the strips were still full of water. Kind of like huge ice trays. I stepped in one and it soaked my sneaker. The combination of those deep rumble strips, glossy white paint, and the water, made for a very slick surface.

Nice job riding it out, and then going 2 feet in as soon as it actually spun. James (red GTO behind you) had a front-row seat, and likely backed off to give you room. Good call, James.

Also, nice line around T9.

I was unfortunately unable to attend the course walk on Monday night. I really would have liked to to see all of the camber changes and whatnot. I had no idea those rumble strips were so deep and filled with water. You must be right about why it was so slick. Thank you James and the rest of the drivers behind me for looking ahead and anticipating the spin. If you guys were not paying enough attention there could have been a collision.

[DanDarcy]

After watching several of these videos ---- are we still a "point by" club

[Jimmy Pet]

Hey COM'ers,
I just wanted to say thanks for a very nice event at the Glen.
I had a great time despite a few electronic / computer car problems which had 0 impact on how much I enjoyed your event.

You guys put on a very well run event. I'll be back many times (as work allows).
Maybe I can someday even persuade Will to open up passing between 8 & 9...

It was great finally meeting some people face to face that I have corresponded with for years.
Hope you guys have a great rest of your season.
Cheers
jimmy pettinato

[subsonic]

Nick,

That was quite a spin. I "walked"/drove the track after the track closed on day 1, and stopped the truck and got out at the exit of 5. The curbing there has huge rumble strips cut into it, and the strips retain water. I don't know when it last rained at WGI, but I was surprised that the strips were still full of water. Kind of like huge ice trays. I stepped in one and it soaked my sneaker. The combination of those deep rumble strips, glossy white paint, and the water, made for a very slick surface.

Nice job riding it out, and then going 2 feet in as soon as it actually spun. James (red GTO behind you) had a front-row seat, and likely backed off to give you room. Good call, James.

Also, nice line around T9.

I was unfortunately unable to attend the course walk on Monday night. I really would have liked to to see all of the camber changes and whatnot. I had no idea those rumble strips were so deep and filled with water. You must be right about why it was so slick. Thank you James and the rest of the drivers behind me for looking ahead and anticipating the spin. If you guys were not paying enough attention there could have been a collision.

Nice to see a video of something I witnessed live, too bad I did not have my own video camera, it was a huge spin and we could not see exactly where your car was because of the tire smoke. James did a good job, he picked the middle part of the track and braked hard. I picked right and David Larose picked left.

[savage217]

Paul, how is your car doing? Any update with that? I think I was lucky to have experienced drivers like you guys behind me.

[FredK]

Dude. That spin looked scary.

[savage217]

Here was another close call I had in turn 5. My car seems to over-steer at the limit, something I definitely need to attend to.

[brucesallen]

Here was another close call I had in turn 5. My car seems to over-steer at the limit, something I definitely need to attend to.

Looks like the wipers cured the problem.

[boltonite]

fwiw,
While there is a lot of camber in the outer loop, a "wide" entry line -- i.e., from the far left at turn in coming out of the busstop -- will require you "drive down" the cambered banking toward the apex. This upsets many cars at wot, including my M3. My car will stick inside at or very near WOT, and an entry ~ 1/3 to 1/2 way from the left on entry reduces that camber change by ~50%. This improves high-speed stability for my car, results in an equal arc and equal radius, shortens the turn, and imo the grip is better way inside. Even at WOT I rarely use the exit curbing and I'm not getting a push nor pinching the car in the corner. YMMV. -FF
p.s. the "apex" is at least ~30-50 yards long and ends where the apex cone was sitting.

[savage217]

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Looks like the wipers cured the problem.[/quote]

I knew I should have turned those on sooner lol

Boltonite,
I had a couple of entries to turn 5. The one I had been taught the last time I was there was to stay about 1/3 of the way away from the left side of the turn in cone or close to mid track. I have been told the fastest way around that turn is to stay out towards the turn in cone and then progressively apex. For me this method seemed to not work very well. I tried rim shotting the inside of the turn a couple of times and it worked well. I am not sure which way was actually faster though?

[offcamber09]

You sure were fighting a loose car. Were your rear tires cooked or overinflated? If not, I'd take a good look at too much rear toe-out.

[savage217]

You sure were fighting a loose car. Were your rear tires cooked or overinflated? If not, I'd take a good look at too much rear toe-out.

My tires were heat cycled out and my shock settings were way off that session. I had my mechanics install fresh rubber right after that session.

In all seriousness. The car does seem to over-steer a lot. I just changed the ride height of it. Raised it up to a good track ride height for optimal handling as opposed to the slammed look I had before. I just had it aligned before this event to what i wanted based on what seems to work well for many people with my setup. I will play around with the suspension a bit more so to try to fix the issue. The car felt great otherwise.

[ctier240]

fwiw,
While there is a lot of camber in the outer loop, a "wide" entry line -- i.e., from the far left at turn in coming out of the busstop -- will require you "drive down" the cambered banking toward the apex. This upsets many cars at wot, including my M3. My car will stick inside at or very near WOT, and an entry ~ 1/3 to 1/2 way from the left on entry reduces that camber change by ~50%. This improves high-speed stability for my car, results in an equal arc and equal radius, shortens the turn, and imo the grip is better way inside. Even at WOT I rarely use the exit curbing and I'm not getting a push nor pinching the car in the corner. YMMV. -FF
p.s. the "apex" is at least ~30-50 yards long and ends where the apex cone was sitting.

I'm with you Fred. My experience with M3's is that they like light power on or at least even throttle through fast turns because they get rear end happy
On that note people think there is a wide line and a tight line. Fred is right that there is more camber (banking) in the track lower especially at turn in. In my opinion you have to find the right place to turn in that works for "your" car. Remember the "right line" is ultimately the one that works best for your car. Don't always go wide or tight because "someone said so", go by feel (seat of the pants) and experiment with different lines to find the right one. That is what practice is for!

I had a great event also and was happy to see many familiar faces. I really miss running with COMSCC on a more regular basis.

I hope to see some of you at NH.

Christopher

[WillM]

In my opinion you have to find the right place to turn in that works for "your" car. Remember the "right line" is ultimately the one that works best for your car. Don't always go wide or tight because "someone said so", go by feel (seat of the pants) and experiment with different lines to find the right one. That is what practice is for!

Very well stated, and I agree 100%.

That said, in my car, "the wide line" into 5 works best for me. My car pushes just a hair on entry, but a quick lift tucks the front end in perfectly, and lets me get right back to WOT before the apex and all the way out to T6.

Post-event review of the data shows that running wide at entry let me carry more speed and higher G's , 90+MPH @ ~1.4+ G's, versus 85+MPH @ ~1.2 G's. There is no way the few extra yards of distance could make up for such a difference in speed.

I was running in the 2:17's and 2:18's (before I had a tire blister) and caught a lot of cars in T5.