Point By rules

DanDarcy · Post by **DanDarcy** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 7:07 pm

Alex: If you wanted open track you should have gone to Mosport

I could see passing anywhere on the track with a point by.

agrabau · Post by **agrabau** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 8:03 pm

I know Dan I wish I could have. It looked like so much fun. I was watching Mick's videos for like an hour last night.

Post by **chaos4NH** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:11 pm

Be sure to make The Glen next year. That 3 mile monster can swallow up an army of cars!

brucesallen · Post by **brucesallen** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 10:57 pm

The COM rule does NOT require a point-bye before passing except that students need to follow the rules of the chief instructor. Read the rule.

rajito · Post by **rajito** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:13 pm

brucesallen wrote:The COM rule does NOT require a point-bye before passing except that students need to follow the rules of the chief instructor. Read the rule.

Huh?

H. Passing
Passing is allowed only in those areas defined at the Driverâ€™s Meeting. Drivers being overtaken by other cars are expected to:
1. Remain on â€œthe lineâ€

nhsilversti · Post by **nhsilversti** » Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:43 pm

while i do agree NHMS was cramped for space, im not sure open passing is the best thing.

thinking about the window net and arm restraints hindering the point by maybe a turn signal (for those that have them) could be used. it would direct which side to pass on and be way more visable than a finger out of a net. if the turn signal is used and someone forgets to shut it off and gets passed unexpectedly, i doubt they will make that mistake again.

jlwhorf · Post by **jlwhorf** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 7:49 am

I just submitted a rules change to strike the mandatory window net usage in Prepared classes. I have a window net and it does make it difficult to put the hand out the window. Also, with the closeness in the level of performance with some cars in other classes, the safety level is negligible.

Jonathan

agrabau · Post by **agrabau** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 10:45 am

Jonathan, I agree with you.

Bruce, I couldn't find what Raj found today but I was assuming that the "rule" was possibly not in the rulebook but established at the driver's meeting. I assume that you have been operating on your assumption without issue. The rule, as I read it doesn't make a point by a requirement, however I was raised by lawyers so forgive me.

It states that a point by will indicate which side the front car prefer the pass on but not that it's needed to initiate a pass.

Alex

rajito · Post by **rajito** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:02 am

Dude,

http://comscc.org/rules/rulebooks/rules2008-r02.pdf

Page 9 - (VII. Driver Requirements, Section H)

Or just search for "passing"

Getting rid of the window net and allowing open passing would make a happy Alex?

Raj

agrabau · Post by **agrabau** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:19 am

The implementation of suggestions I made in post 1 would make me happy. You are oversimplifying.

I've read the rulebook yet again and the passing "without a pointby" has a stipulation on it which stated something to the effect of being unsafe.. if the pass was made safely that seems to be outside of the rules as they currently read.

Alex

jrottn · Post by **jrottn** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 11:27 am

As per Bruces last post I think we need to make this rule VERY clear
If people think they are in a run group using point-byes this needs to be enforced. While using PBs is no excuse for not watching your mirrors it changes the game a bit
Example- A friend who is an instructor w/COM is waiting for a PB coming onto the pit straight at Lime Rock, is given a PB, goes to pull out and pass only to find another car in that space. Not good
Waiting for PBs can be frustrating (trust me on this one) and I would be open to a non PB run group I just think everyone needs to be on the same page.
Also I have found when passing flags are not being thrown using the horn is more effective than blinking headlights (Thanks Nate)

brucesallen · Post by **brucesallen** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:26 pm

rajito wrote:
brucesallen wrote:The COM rule does NOT require a point-bye before passing except that students need to follow the rules of the chief instructor. Read the rule.

Huh?

H. Passing
Passing is allowed only in those areas defined at the Driverâ€™s Meeting. Drivers being overtaken by other cars are expected to:
1. Remain on â€œthe lineâ€

agrabau · Post by **agrabau** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 12:46 pm

Agreed with Bruce. That is my interpretation of the rules as they are currently written.

Stynger · Post by **Stynger** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 1:51 pm

Seeing Carl ALWAYS says this is a point-by club, that is what we'll do.

I agree the window net is a PIA. I typically do not use it in run sessions, just in the time trial if the class requires it. Then again, no point-by's needed in a time trial.

rajito · Post by **rajito** » Thu Oct 30, 2008 2:53 pm

Thanks for the clarification Bruce. Next time someone gives me a stinky eye for passing them without a point-by, I'll just point and laugh.

Or drive into a wall.

Raj

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