2020 TT Season
2020 TT Season
Hey COM Members,
I'd like to start a discussion regarding the 2020 season.
First and foremost, the COM staff has been chatting via email as well as video conference about what it would take to hold an event during the COVID-19 pandemic. Not only what it would take, but if it's worthwhile given the safety precautions.
So, I'd like to open the discussion with our members and get your thoughts.
Please keep this thread clean.
Thanks!
I'd like to start a discussion regarding the 2020 season.
First and foremost, the COM staff has been chatting via email as well as video conference about what it would take to hold an event during the COVID-19 pandemic. Not only what it would take, but if it's worthwhile given the safety precautions.
So, I'd like to open the discussion with our members and get your thoughts.
Please keep this thread clean.
Thanks!
Jason Gannett
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17 BRZ Series Yellow
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Re: 2020 TT Season
Bruce, Jason is a new guy on the BOD.
We have elections once a year, once in a while we get some fresh new folks to step up. Be nice!
To extend the questions ... we’re in the same boat as the other clubs, how do we run an event , once the authorities allow gatherings again, such that everyone is safe. The concern for spreading the virus is a big problem when our teaching requires a classroom and one on one in a student’s car. There’s also drivers meetings and techn to consider, how do we do that?
The second half, is economic. Can we afford to do this , at least enough to make the event break even?
We have elections once a year, once in a while we get some fresh new folks to step up. Be nice!
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To extend the questions ... we’re in the same boat as the other clubs, how do we run an event , once the authorities allow gatherings again, such that everyone is safe. The concern for spreading the virus is a big problem when our teaching requires a classroom and one on one in a student’s car. There’s also drivers meetings and techn to consider, how do we do that?
The second half, is economic. Can we afford to do this , at least enough to make the event break even?
Tom Cannon
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Re: 2020 TT Season
Thanks Tom
Yes, the idea here is to get a chat going with some of our members to get an idea of what their thoughts are.
- how much interest is there given the safety/health concern?
- how much interest is there given the current financial situation that some people might be in?
- how do you envision instructing going?
- how do you envision the classroom instruction?
- what about lodging?
- how will "we" be perceived in the town(s) we will be visiting?
There's lots of these questions that have come up and we want to make sure the best decisions are being made....for our members, staff, hired workers, venue staff, etc.
Yes, the idea here is to get a chat going with some of our members to get an idea of what their thoughts are.
- how much interest is there given the safety/health concern?
- how much interest is there given the current financial situation that some people might be in?
- how do you envision instructing going?
- how do you envision the classroom instruction?
- what about lodging?
- how will "we" be perceived in the town(s) we will be visiting?
There's lots of these questions that have come up and we want to make sure the best decisions are being made....for our members, staff, hired workers, venue staff, etc.
Jason Gannett
17 BRZ Series Yellow
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Re: 2020 TT Season
Depends on how the situation evolves, but it looks to me like if we are going to have events at all, they should probably be without students/instructors in cars together.
Maybe we could just run with no students/instructors, no newbies, but allow non-licensed drivers who have been signed off to solo at previous events to run with rookie stripes.
Maybe we could just run with no students/instructors, no newbies, but allow non-licensed drivers who have been signed off to solo at previous events to run with rookie stripes.
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Re: 2020 TT Season
I think Jason's last point is really important. We, all clubs really, rely on the goodwill of the local towns. What are we able to learn about how the people who live near the tracks we visit might respond to tracks reopening? Anything the track management can share with us? The response likely differs from places like Palmer to places like the Glen.
Sorry I don't really have more to contribute here. I just wanted to add my voice that the reception of, or impact on, the places we visit should be as important as the health and safety at the event. I am glad to see it on Jason's list.
Sorry I don't really have more to contribute here. I just wanted to add my voice that the reception of, or impact on, the places we visit should be as important as the health and safety at the event. I am glad to see it on Jason's list.
Graham Cranston
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Re: 2020 TT Season
Palmer Motorsports Park has been abiding by the local wishes re "sheltering in place" -- we will only reopen once that loosens up.
Regarding the TT's, its a perfect model of "social distancing" since you can't even pass. As for classroom and drivers' meetings, doesn't COM have an app for that? We have a PA system, a big deck, an event tent, or garage space that could be used to conduct meetings in less crowded spaces.
As for students+instructors sharing a car, full nomex + full face helmet would suffice for me, maybe use hand signals instead of a communicator (or have students use their own mic/ear piece). If any instructor was unwilling to get in a car they would not sign up to instruct, or perhaps have students do lead-follow, or just end each session with a mouth rinse of brake cleaner (or WD-40, that stuff is amazing!)
Regarding the TT's, its a perfect model of "social distancing" since you can't even pass. As for classroom and drivers' meetings, doesn't COM have an app for that? We have a PA system, a big deck, an event tent, or garage space that could be used to conduct meetings in less crowded spaces.
As for students+instructors sharing a car, full nomex + full face helmet would suffice for me, maybe use hand signals instead of a communicator (or have students use their own mic/ear piece). If any instructor was unwilling to get in a car they would not sign up to instruct, or perhaps have students do lead-follow, or just end each session with a mouth rinse of brake cleaner (or WD-40, that stuff is amazing!)
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Re: 2020 TT Season
Who doesn't like a spritz of brake cleaner in the morning?
Great points Jason, and I like the lead follow idea as well. Maybe make the sessions shorter and therefore the groups smaller....match student and instructors up with similar cars
Also another suggestion, maybe forget about the TT this year? It would limit the number of workers interacting, less of a burden on BOD, no handing in time cards, no catalytic converters, no transponders, lower costs, run a single day etc?
Great points Jason, and I like the lead follow idea as well. Maybe make the sessions shorter and therefore the groups smaller....match student and instructors up with similar cars
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Also another suggestion, maybe forget about the TT this year? It would limit the number of workers interacting, less of a burden on BOD, no handing in time cards, no catalytic converters, no transponders, lower costs, run a single day etc?
They can also point by in corners, it makes for a pretty exciting time on trackbrucesallen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:41 pmThe SCCA Track Night in America lets anyone drive with no instruction or tech. WE must be the old ladies.
Chuck Comeau
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Re: 2020 TT Season
I'm thinking a test n tune day with just licensed drivers to start when ever we can get back on a track would be a good way to try out any new procedures. Drivers meetings we sometimes meet outdoors now, so just spread out at little more? could be challenging at venues with poor PAs . Tech; stay in the car, windows up, leave helmet & paperwork in trunk, Biggest challenge for me will be places to stay, not sure I'm real confident some of the places we stay at when we travel have the latest in cleaning/sanitizing technology. For instructing, seems like lead- follow would be necessary, even with helmets on I can't see how you could be in the same car and not be breathing the same air. One big question will be is what kind of restrictions will the tracks have, will there be a limit of 50 cars so that the per entrant fee is now $750/ day? Will tracks be screening or will participants need to bring proof of being healthy. Hopefully we will be able figure out a plan that keeps us all safe while still enjoying our hobby.
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Re: 2020 TT Season
As an unlicensed (but approved for solo in the events I've attended) member, if i'm allowed on track I'll be coming to the local events.
Brandon Ganem
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Re: 2020 TT Season
I for one, do not feel comfortable hoping in a car and instructing. But I have 4 strikes against me, I'm over 70, I have diabetes, I have high blood pressure, plus I have heart issues. In the past I use to do lead follow with students especially at Watkins Glen where there is plenty of track. I never did it NHMS, Lime Rock or any of the short track. Just not enough space for student and instructor cars. I think lead follow can work well for most students. Palmer also is a good track for lead follow, I've done it there many times, plus it has the outside space for everybody to spread out and a PA system. As far as running a time trial, I don't think social distancing will affect it. Lets start the season as soon as we can safely. I am also lucky in that I don't have to worry about lodging, restrooms or food as I have a camper. I hope to see everybody at the track soon.
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Re: 2020 TT Season
Thank you to all those who have chimed in this far. Please pass the word along to other members that this thread exists as we'd like to get as much feedback as possible.
As mentioned before, everyone's safety is first and foremost with this whole thing. I agree with many instructors that in car instruction is highly unlikely. The topic of lead-follow has been chatted about frequently and is not "off the table".
As I'm sure everyone is aware, the national situation is fairly fluid and changes come quickly on what/how states want to move forward. We're all hopeful for some track time, so let's keep chatting about different ideas of how to do it.
As mentioned before, everyone's safety is first and foremost with this whole thing. I agree with many instructors that in car instruction is highly unlikely. The topic of lead-follow has been chatted about frequently and is not "off the table".
As I'm sure everyone is aware, the national situation is fairly fluid and changes come quickly on what/how states want to move forward. We're all hopeful for some track time, so let's keep chatting about different ideas of how to do it.
Jason Gannett
17 BRZ Series Yellow
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17 BRZ Series Yellow
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