Now that it's getting to be rules time, does anyone know what the status of the car classification proposal that I submitted last December is, and the likelyhood that it will or won't go through? I know Chris Aylward had been doing some further work on it, but he may be a bit preocupied at the moment.
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2006 Car classification proposal
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Christine D
Re: 2006 Car classification proposal
Kevin,<br>
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I was at the last board meeting and the subject briefly came up. The thought was that it was already getting late in the year for getting the major overhaul to go through. However I'd imagine it's not too late if there's enough discussion about it, and if someone was at the meetings to champion the cause.<br>
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Is it possible to post the proposed changes here? Or now that we have people who can update the main site, maybe put it there?<br>
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Christine
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I was at the last board meeting and the subject briefly came up. The thought was that it was already getting late in the year for getting the major overhaul to go through. However I'd imagine it's not too late if there's enough discussion about it, and if someone was at the meetings to champion the cause.<br>
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Is it possible to post the proposed changes here? Or now that we have people who can update the main site, maybe put it there?<br>
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Christine
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Re: 2006 Car classification proposal
The proposal was submitted in Dec 2004 for the 2006 season. That should have been enough time.<br>
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Basically, it's a rearrangement of the SS classes to be a better reflection of the cars that are showing up rather than what showed up 10+ years ago. The other thing this allowed was to give all the "tuner" cars that start out in ST a home in SS. The names of all the classes were kept the same to allow a carryover of all the track records, as all the new classes with the exception of SSU would be faster than the old ones. All wording referencing SCCA SS classes was eliminated. The net result was Most of SSB was combined with SSC, Most of SSA went into SSB, Some of SSGT went into SSA, and the fast SSGT and slow SSU cars were put into SSGT. Further differentiation of specific models with long production history (Porsche 911, Mustang, Corvette, etc.) were better divided up and specified than they are now.
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Basically, it's a rearrangement of the SS classes to be a better reflection of the cars that are showing up rather than what showed up 10+ years ago. The other thing this allowed was to give all the "tuner" cars that start out in ST a home in SS. The names of all the classes were kept the same to allow a carryover of all the track records, as all the new classes with the exception of SSU would be faster than the old ones. All wording referencing SCCA SS classes was eliminated. The net result was Most of SSB was combined with SSC, Most of SSA went into SSB, Some of SSGT went into SSA, and the fast SSGT and slow SSU cars were put into SSGT. Further differentiation of specific models with long production history (Porsche 911, Mustang, Corvette, etc.) were better divided up and specified than they are now.
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Rule overhaul- too late?
Kevin,<br>
There has been absolutely no discussion by the membership or Board over the last year of which I am aware and no one presented it at the last Board meeting. The feeling of the BOD was that a major revamp needs lengthy discussion by the membership and the full support of the rules chairman who must do a lot of work in the month remaining.
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There has been absolutely no discussion by the membership or Board over the last year of which I am aware and no one presented it at the last Board meeting. The feeling of the BOD was that a major revamp needs lengthy discussion by the membership and the full support of the rules chairman who must do a lot of work in the month remaining.
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Re: Rule overhaul- too late?
Who is the rules chairman?<br>
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I gave this to Chris Aylward (Chief Steward) in Feb or March, and he said that he was doing research on HP, weight, and such as requested by the BOD. I wish I had known that this had stalled out earlier, I would have resubmitted it sooner. I'll submit the proposal again through the normal channels. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Having a total of 10 SSC cars and about 15 ST4 cars over the last 3 years, with many of the ST4 cars being competitive with ST3 times witholut modification for another year seems like a waste of a class to me.
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I gave this to Chris Aylward (Chief Steward) in Feb or March, and he said that he was doing research on HP, weight, and such as requested by the BOD. I wish I had known that this had stalled out earlier, I would have resubmitted it sooner. I'll submit the proposal again through the normal channels. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>
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Having a total of 10 SSC cars and about 15 ST4 cars over the last 3 years, with many of the ST4 cars being competitive with ST3 times witholut modification for another year seems like a waste of a class to me.
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Rusty
rules blues
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Having a total of 10 SSC cars and about 15 ST4 cars over the last 3 years, with many of the ST4 cars being competitive with ST3 times witholut modification for another year seems like a waste of a class to me. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
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Ahhh...but while that may have been true in previous years, this year is quite different. The amount of ST3 drivers has increased substantially, and so has their skill. The small but competitive group in ST4, while posting very close and consistant times amoung the class, have been seconds behind the ST3 top finishers at most events this year.<br>
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With the current ST update/backdate rules, all Miatas can be prepared the same - with the exception of the engine. The ~20hp/tq variance between 1.6 (ST4) and 1.8 (ST3) engines is very real. In an effort to even the playing field, Spec Miata allows 1.6 cars to run several hundred pounds lighter and requires 1.8 cars to run restrictor plates. While COM's rule book states that the competitiveness of a particular car in a particular class is not gauranteed, I think it would be a step backward to consolidate these classes.<br>
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Kevin, I read your proposal last year and if I recall correctly, I agreed with most of it. Perhaps you could post the proposal here? That said, if classes are to be combined, than I would suggest either a brodening of the ST rules or an adoption of a new class which would be placed between ST and SP. Given the current rules, we move from a class where no engine modifications are allowed (and some would argue that this would even even include the airbox) to a class where any engine is allowed provided that it has the same amount of cylanders as the one it replaces. The rules have not kept up with current times where air intakes, aftermarket flywheels & clutches, ECUs, (and even things like cams and engine swaps), are commonly installed in "enthusiasts'" daily-driven vehicles.<br>
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Ahhh...but while that may have been true in previous years, this year is quite different. The amount of ST3 drivers has increased substantially, and so has their skill. The small but competitive group in ST4, while posting very close and consistant times amoung the class, have been seconds behind the ST3 top finishers at most events this year.<br>
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With the current ST update/backdate rules, all Miatas can be prepared the same - with the exception of the engine. The ~20hp/tq variance between 1.6 (ST4) and 1.8 (ST3) engines is very real. In an effort to even the playing field, Spec Miata allows 1.6 cars to run several hundred pounds lighter and requires 1.8 cars to run restrictor plates. While COM's rule book states that the competitiveness of a particular car in a particular class is not gauranteed, I think it would be a step backward to consolidate these classes.<br>
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Kevin, I read your proposal last year and if I recall correctly, I agreed with most of it. Perhaps you could post the proposal here? That said, if classes are to be combined, than I would suggest either a brodening of the ST rules or an adoption of a new class which would be placed between ST and SP. Given the current rules, we move from a class where no engine modifications are allowed (and some would argue that this would even even include the airbox) to a class where any engine is allowed provided that it has the same amount of cylanders as the one it replaces. The rules have not kept up with current times where air intakes, aftermarket flywheels & clutches, ECUs, (and even things like cams and engine swaps), are commonly installed in "enthusiasts'" daily-driven vehicles.<br>
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But that is just my $0.02 <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->
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Re: rules blues
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Ahhh...but while that may have been true in previous years, this year is quite different. The amount of ST3 drivers has increased substantially, and so has their skill. The small but competitive group in ST4, while posting very close and consistant times amoung the class, have been seconds behind the ST3 top finishers at most events this year.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
The fastest cars that show up regularly in ST3, the 1999+ Mazda Miata and the Nissan Sentra SE-R, remained in SSB in my proposal.<br>
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>With the current ST update/backdate rules, all Miatas can be prepared the same - with the exception of the engine. The ~20hp/tq variance between 1.6 (ST4) and 1.8 (ST3) engines is very real. In an effort to even the playing field, Spec Miata allows 1.6 cars to run several hundred pounds lighter and requires 1.8 cars to run restrictor plates. While COM's rule book states that the competitiveness of a particular car in a particular class is not gauranteed, I think it would be a step backward to consolidate these classes.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
...and the weight, and the rear differential. The 1.6L cars are 75-100 lbs less, have a better final drive ratio. If by "several hundred lbs difference" you mean 75 lbs, I agree with you. This weight difference is reflective of the cars in ST trim as well. The difference in Spec Miata with and without the restrictor is not nearly as much as you think, it's maybe 5 HP. IMO, with my proposal, the worst Miatas in ST trim would be the 96-97's because of the OBDII software.<br>
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I'll post my original proposal later tonight, when I get home and send it as a rules proposal.
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The fastest cars that show up regularly in ST3, the 1999+ Mazda Miata and the Nissan Sentra SE-R, remained in SSB in my proposal.<br>
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>With the current ST update/backdate rules, all Miatas can be prepared the same - with the exception of the engine. The ~20hp/tq variance between 1.6 (ST4) and 1.8 (ST3) engines is very real. In an effort to even the playing field, Spec Miata allows 1.6 cars to run several hundred pounds lighter and requires 1.8 cars to run restrictor plates. While COM's rule book states that the competitiveness of a particular car in a particular class is not gauranteed, I think it would be a step backward to consolidate these classes.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>
...and the weight, and the rear differential. The 1.6L cars are 75-100 lbs less, have a better final drive ratio. If by "several hundred lbs difference" you mean 75 lbs, I agree with you. This weight difference is reflective of the cars in ST trim as well. The difference in Spec Miata with and without the restrictor is not nearly as much as you think, it's maybe 5 HP. IMO, with my proposal, the worst Miatas in ST trim would be the 96-97's because of the OBDII software.<br>
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I'll post my original proposal later tonight, when I get home and send it as a rules proposal.
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Christine D
Re: rules blues
For SM, the 1.6 cars are 2300 pounds, and for 1.8 cars they are 2400 pounds (I think that just got changed so the 1.8 cars are 2350). For SSM, the 1.6 cars are 2275 and the 1.8 cars are 2430. Also in SM the 1.6 cars are allowed a cone-style air filter instead of an airbox and the 1.8 cars are not. The restrictor plate in a 96-97 takes away about 8hp. It could be that the 94-95 restrictor only takes 5hp, it has a larger opening.<br>
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just to clarify...
By this year's results, the fastest Miatas that show up regularly in ST3 are 94-97 cars. Of course, we all know the Sentra guy :D too, and those Neons are looming, as are the M2 Miatas...! :shock:
To answer some questions:
Miata Differentials:
90-93 Miata (1.6L) 5-speed, 4.30
94-97 Miata (1.8L) 5-speed, 4.10
99-05 Miata (1.8L) 5-speed, 4.30
5-speed transmissions are all the same.
That said, ST rules allow updating & backdating of differentials.
2005 COMSCC Rule Book, Section X.7.F states:
Updating and backdating of differentials is allowed within the same manufacturer. Any aftermarket limited-slip differential may be used provided ratios are among those available on OEM differentials. WELDED OR LOCKING DIFFERENTIALS ARE PROHIBITED.
By several hundred pounds, I mean 'several hundred pounds', or perhaps 'upto 200 pounds' is more accurate. Per current Spec rules (don't know where you are getting the 75 pounds from):
1990 - 1993 Mazda Miata 1600cc at 2300 pounds
1994 - 1997 Mazda Miata 1800cc at 2400 pounds
1999 - 2005 Mazda Miata 1800cc at 2500 pounds
For what it is worth, my 1.6 Miata in ST trim, with me in it and 3/4 tank of gas, weighs in at 2498 pounds (Spec Miata weight rules include the weight of the driver).
As for the 96-97 ODB II cars, those engines have slightly higher compression ratios (9.0:1 as opposed to the previous 8.8:1 of 94-95 cars), and the ODB II software, with the additional O2 sensor post cat, allows the engine to run a bit leaner. The result? More horsepower.<br>
90-93 are rated at 116hp, 100 ft-lb torque
94-95 are rated at 128hp, 110 ft-lb torque
96-97 are rated at 133hp, 114 ft-lb torque
99-05 are rated to 142hp, 125 ft-lb torque
Spec Miata restrictors are required as follows (note the difference between 94-95 cars and 96-97 cars):
1990 - 1993 - none
1994 - 1995 47mm restrictor
1996 - 1997 45mm restrictor
1999 - 2005 41mm restrictor
All 1.8 Miatas must retain stock airbox, 1.6 Miatas may substitute airbox for cone filter.
Given their better breathing ability, 1.8 engines respond a little better to the modifications allowed in ST than the 1.6's do. Peak and manufacturer ratings don't tell the whole story - you need to look at a dyno plot and observe the 'area under the curve' to appreciate the difference. I have.
I own a '95 1.8 Miata and a '93 1.6 Miata. The difference is not negligible.
But I digress. There are several other cars in SSB, SSC, ST4, & ST3, not just Miatas. Moreover, the point of this post is to follow up my observations above with fact - since they were questioned. I do not mean to go of topic or detract from the original point of this thread, but when up to 50% of the cars that show up to an event are Miatas, it is clear that a large group of members may have an interest in these proposed rule changes.
Kevin, thanks for the work you put into your proposal. Remember thinking that it must have taken some time to put together. In any event, I look forward to reading it again!
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To answer some questions:
Miata Differentials:
90-93 Miata (1.6L) 5-speed, 4.30
94-97 Miata (1.8L) 5-speed, 4.10
99-05 Miata (1.8L) 5-speed, 4.30
5-speed transmissions are all the same.
That said, ST rules allow updating & backdating of differentials.
2005 COMSCC Rule Book, Section X.7.F states:
Updating and backdating of differentials is allowed within the same manufacturer. Any aftermarket limited-slip differential may be used provided ratios are among those available on OEM differentials. WELDED OR LOCKING DIFFERENTIALS ARE PROHIBITED.
By several hundred pounds, I mean 'several hundred pounds', or perhaps 'upto 200 pounds' is more accurate. Per current Spec rules (don't know where you are getting the 75 pounds from):
1990 - 1993 Mazda Miata 1600cc at 2300 pounds
1994 - 1997 Mazda Miata 1800cc at 2400 pounds
1999 - 2005 Mazda Miata 1800cc at 2500 pounds
For what it is worth, my 1.6 Miata in ST trim, with me in it and 3/4 tank of gas, weighs in at 2498 pounds (Spec Miata weight rules include the weight of the driver).
As for the 96-97 ODB II cars, those engines have slightly higher compression ratios (9.0:1 as opposed to the previous 8.8:1 of 94-95 cars), and the ODB II software, with the additional O2 sensor post cat, allows the engine to run a bit leaner. The result? More horsepower.<br>
90-93 are rated at 116hp, 100 ft-lb torque
94-95 are rated at 128hp, 110 ft-lb torque
96-97 are rated at 133hp, 114 ft-lb torque
99-05 are rated to 142hp, 125 ft-lb torque
Spec Miata restrictors are required as follows (note the difference between 94-95 cars and 96-97 cars):
1990 - 1993 - none
1994 - 1995 47mm restrictor
1996 - 1997 45mm restrictor
1999 - 2005 41mm restrictor
All 1.8 Miatas must retain stock airbox, 1.6 Miatas may substitute airbox for cone filter.
Given their better breathing ability, 1.8 engines respond a little better to the modifications allowed in ST than the 1.6's do. Peak and manufacturer ratings don't tell the whole story - you need to look at a dyno plot and observe the 'area under the curve' to appreciate the difference. I have.
I own a '95 1.8 Miata and a '93 1.6 Miata. The difference is not negligible.
But I digress. There are several other cars in SSB, SSC, ST4, & ST3, not just Miatas. Moreover, the point of this post is to follow up my observations above with fact - since they were questioned. I do not mean to go of topic or detract from the original point of this thread, but when up to 50% of the cars that show up to an event are Miatas, it is clear that a large group of members may have an interest in these proposed rule changes.
Kevin, thanks for the work you put into your proposal. Remember thinking that it must have taken some time to put together. In any event, I look forward to reading it again!
:D
Re: just to clarify...
Spec Miata falls into SPC, primarily because of gutted interiors I believe. ST allows a lot more mods than Spec Miata, but the COM car classification structure does not accommodate this cross-over car/class.<br>
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IMO, I believe Kevin is right about revamping the rules based on "what is showing up now, not 10 years ago" and in that spirit I humbly suggest another look at current car counts and how well the current car classification scheme accommodates what is showing up now. Perhaps Miatas and suburus need their own class <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->
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IMO, I believe Kevin is right about revamping the rules based on "what is showing up now, not 10 years ago" and in that spirit I humbly suggest another look at current car counts and how well the current car classification scheme accommodates what is showing up now. Perhaps Miatas and suburus need their own class <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END-->
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Re: just to clarify...
I have the breakdown by make, model and class of every car that competed in COM Time Trials during the 2003 and 2004 seasons, and that is what the class structure was based on.<br>
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Yes, it does make the 1.6L Miatas less competitve, but of every car that runs regularly in COM, that was the car that was made the most significantly less competitive.<br>
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A Spec Miata with front interior and a passenger's seat or Petty bar is legal for ST in COM. As a side note, leaving the interior in the car except for the passenger's seat is allowed in Spec Miata. The way the SM rules are worded, a racing seat for the passenger's side could be installed and classified as ballast if installed according to the ballsat rules.
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Yes, it does make the 1.6L Miatas less competitve, but of every car that runs regularly in COM, that was the car that was made the most significantly less competitive.<br>
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A Spec Miata with front interior and a passenger's seat or Petty bar is legal for ST in COM. As a side note, leaving the interior in the car except for the passenger's seat is allowed in Spec Miata. The way the SM rules are worded, a racing seat for the passenger's side could be installed and classified as ballast if installed according to the ballsat rules.
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Car reclassifications
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Car Reclassifications
New SSU:
Audi RS6
BMW E46 M3, V8, V10
Chevrolet Corvette 1984+ NOC
Dodge Stealth Turbo, Viper
Ferrari NOC
Ford Mustang Cobra 2003-2004, 1995, 2000 Cobra R
Lamborghini, All models
Lotus Esprit 8-cyl turbo
Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4 Turbo, Lancer Evolution
Nissan 300ZX V6 Twin Turbo
Pantera
Porsche 911Turbo, 993, 996, 997
Subaru WRX STi
Toyota Supra Twin Turbo
New SSGT:
Audi V8 NA
BMW E36 M3, E46 330, E28, E34 M5; M6, M Coupe and Roadster, Z4 3.0i
Chevrolet Camaro SS Ram Air, 1LE, SLP, Corvette C4 LT1
Ferrari 328
Ford Mustang V8 1996-2001 Cobra, 1993 Cobra R, F150 Lightning
Lotus Esprit 4-cyl Turbo, Eliese S2, Exiege
Maserati, All models
Mazda RX7 Twin Turbo
Mercury Capri 302
Pontiac Firebird Formula
Porsche 911 3.2L, 944 Turbo, Turbo S, Boxster S
Toyota MR2 turbo
New SSA:
BMW E36 328; E46 323, 325, 328; Z3 2.8L, 528, 535, 633, 635, Z4 2.5i, E30 M3
Chevrolet Camaro V8 (except SS Ram Air, 1LE, SLP), V8 NOC
Chrysler Corp., mass-produced FWD Intercooled Turbo, Omni GLH, GLHS
Corvette (solid rear axle)
Datsun/Nissan 280ZX Turbo, 300ZX Turbo 1984-89, 300ZX NA 1990-96
Dodge Stealth normally aspirated
Dodge Neon SRT-4
Ferrari 308
Ford Mustang V8 1982-2004 Solid Rear Axle, 1993 Cobra R
Honda S2000
Mazda RX7 13B Turbo, RX8, Mazdaspeed Miata, Mazdaspeed Protégé
Mercury Capri 302
Mitsubishi 3000 GT normally aspirated
Nissan 300ZX V6 normally aspirated
Pontiac Trans Am, Firebird except Formula
Porsche 911 2.7-3.0L NA, 944S, 944S2, 968, Boxster, 924 Turbo
Saab 9000 Aero
Subaru WRX
Toyota Supra 3.0 turbo
Volvo 5-cyl turbo
New SSB:
Acura Legend, Integra GSR 1.7, Integra VTEC, Integra Type R, RSX, TSX
Alfa Romeo Sprint Veloce, Sports Sedan , GTV-6, Milano 3.0
Audi V6 and 1.8L turbo
BMW E30, E36, 325, 525, E28, E34 525; Z3 2.5l , (except M3 4-cyl), Z4 2.5i
Chevrolet Beretta GTZ, Camaro 6 cyl, Monza 2+2
Datsun/Nissan 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, 300ZX 1984-89 NA
Dodge Shelby Charger Turbo, Omni GLH, Neon ACR
Eagle Talon turbo
Ford 302 Mustang II, Mach I, Cobra II, V6 1999+, 4 cyl Turbo; T-bird Turbo, SC; '89 Cougar, Focus SVT
Ford Taurus SHO, Probe turbo and V6
Honda Prelude VTEC, Del Sol VTEC, Civic SI 2002+
Mazda RX7 13B IRS, MX6GT, Miata 1999+
Merkur XR4Ti
Mini Cooper S (supercharged) 2002+
Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo, Galant VR4, Mirage 16v Turbo
Nissan 200SX 3.0, Sentra SER Spec V
Oldsmobile Starfire Firenza, 305, Quad 4
Peugeot 505 Turbo '88 and newer
Plymouth Laser Turbo
Pontiac Trans Am NOC, Fiero V6
Porsche 944 8v, 924S, 924, 911 under 2.4L
Saab 900, 9000 Turbo
Subaru 2.5L+ Normally Aspirated
Toyota Celica 4WD Turbo, Supra, 2.8, MR2SC, MR2 NA 1990-1995
Volvo 4 cyl Turbo
VW Golf, Jetta, Corrado V6, 1.8 Turbo; Corrado G60, New Beetle Turbo
New SSC:
Acura Integra 3 door
Alfa Romeo Alfetta, GT, Spider 2000, Milano 2.5
AMC Spirit, DL, GT Liftback 258, 4 spd.
Audi Fox, Coupe, 4000, 5000, 80, 90 (including all Quattros)
BMW all 2.0L and less normally aspirated
Buick Opel Isuzu, Skylark, 1.8 HO or 2.0, Skylark, 23i, Skyhawk, 2.8 HO, 4 spd., Skyhawk Turbo
Chevrolet Chevette, Monza, 4 cyl, Cavalier 4 cyl, Citation 4 cyl, FWD V6, Nova 16v
Datsun/Nissan 210, 310, 510, 610, 710, and F-10, 200SX 2.2 5 spd.
Dodge Colt, Colt Turbo, GT2000, Charger2.2, Neon except ACR, 1600, Omni, Challenger 2.5, 024 1.7, 2.2, 2600
Eagle Talon normally aspirated
Fiat 124 Sport Spyder, 131, Spyder 2000, X1/9, 128 Sedan, Strada 1500, 5 spd.
Ford Fiesta, EXP 1.6 HO (non-turbo), Pinto, Escort GT 16V and 4 cyl, Focus 2.0, 2.3, Mustang V6 1964-1998
Geo Prism GSI, Storm GSI
Honda Civic, Civic Si 1975-2001, CVCC, Accord, CRX, CRX Si, Prelude 2.0
Isuzu I-Mark Coupe, RS
Mazda Protege, 808, 1600, GLC, GLC Sport, 626, 626 Turbo, 323, Miata 1990-1997, RX3, RX4, RX7 1979-1985, MX3, Mazda 3
Mercury Bobcat 2.3, LN7 1.6 HO, Lynx, Tracer LTS, Capri 4 cyl and V6; Tracer LTS
MGB, Midget 1500
Mini Cooper normally aspirated
Mitsubishi Eclipse, Galant normally aspirated; Mirage 8-valve turbo, Lancer Noramlly Aspirated
Nissan 1991 NX 1600 & NX 2000, Nissan 240SX, 200SX Turbo, Pulsar 1.8 DOHC, Sentra SER
Oldsmobile Firenza, 1.8 SOHC, 2.0, Starfire, V6, Omega, 2.8 HO
Peugeot 505, 505 Turbo, 405 Mi16,
Plymouth Laser Normally Aspirated, Horizon, TC-3, Arrow 1600, GT, Champ 1.6
Pontiac Phoenix 2.8 HO, Sunbird Turbo, all 4-cyl NA
Renault Fuego Turbo, 1.6, Fuego 2.2, LeCar, Alliance, Encore, GTA
Saab 900 and 9000 16V normally aspirated
Saab 99, 900 and 9000 16V normally aspirated
Subaru normally aspirated 2.2L and under
Suzuki Swift GTI
Toyota Celica GTS 16v, Corolla GTS, FX-16, (1.6 & 2.2), MR2 1985-1989 NA, Corolla, Corona, Starlet 1.3 5spd., Celica, GTS, GT, ST, GT Liftback
Triumph 4-cyl
Volvo 242/4, GT
VW Rabbit, Golf, GTI, Scirocco, all 8 valve, GTI 16v, Jetta 16v, Scirocco 16v, New Beetle 2.0L
This would eliminate the need for the tuner cars that currently start out in ST as well, as they all have SS classes now.
Audi RS6
BMW E46 M3, V8, V10
Chevrolet Corvette 1984+ NOC
Dodge Stealth Turbo, Viper
Ferrari NOC
Ford Mustang Cobra 2003-2004, 1995, 2000 Cobra R
Lamborghini, All models
Lotus Esprit 8-cyl turbo
Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4 Turbo, Lancer Evolution
Nissan 300ZX V6 Twin Turbo
Pantera
Porsche 911Turbo, 993, 996, 997
Subaru WRX STi
Toyota Supra Twin Turbo
New SSGT:
Audi V8 NA
BMW E36 M3, E46 330, E28, E34 M5; M6, M Coupe and Roadster, Z4 3.0i
Chevrolet Camaro SS Ram Air, 1LE, SLP, Corvette C4 LT1
Ferrari 328
Ford Mustang V8 1996-2001 Cobra, 1993 Cobra R, F150 Lightning
Lotus Esprit 4-cyl Turbo, Eliese S2, Exiege
Maserati, All models
Mazda RX7 Twin Turbo
Mercury Capri 302
Pontiac Firebird Formula
Porsche 911 3.2L, 944 Turbo, Turbo S, Boxster S
Toyota MR2 turbo
New SSA:
BMW E36 328; E46 323, 325, 328; Z3 2.8L, 528, 535, 633, 635, Z4 2.5i, E30 M3
Chevrolet Camaro V8 (except SS Ram Air, 1LE, SLP), V8 NOC
Chrysler Corp., mass-produced FWD Intercooled Turbo, Omni GLH, GLHS
Corvette (solid rear axle)
Datsun/Nissan 280ZX Turbo, 300ZX Turbo 1984-89, 300ZX NA 1990-96
Dodge Stealth normally aspirated
Dodge Neon SRT-4
Ferrari 308
Ford Mustang V8 1982-2004 Solid Rear Axle, 1993 Cobra R
Honda S2000
Mazda RX7 13B Turbo, RX8, Mazdaspeed Miata, Mazdaspeed Protégé
Mercury Capri 302
Mitsubishi 3000 GT normally aspirated
Nissan 300ZX V6 normally aspirated
Pontiac Trans Am, Firebird except Formula
Porsche 911 2.7-3.0L NA, 944S, 944S2, 968, Boxster, 924 Turbo
Saab 9000 Aero
Subaru WRX
Toyota Supra 3.0 turbo
Volvo 5-cyl turbo
New SSB:
Acura Legend, Integra GSR 1.7, Integra VTEC, Integra Type R, RSX, TSX
Alfa Romeo Sprint Veloce, Sports Sedan , GTV-6, Milano 3.0
Audi V6 and 1.8L turbo
BMW E30, E36, 325, 525, E28, E34 525; Z3 2.5l , (except M3 4-cyl), Z4 2.5i
Chevrolet Beretta GTZ, Camaro 6 cyl, Monza 2+2
Datsun/Nissan 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, 300ZX 1984-89 NA
Dodge Shelby Charger Turbo, Omni GLH, Neon ACR
Eagle Talon turbo
Ford 302 Mustang II, Mach I, Cobra II, V6 1999+, 4 cyl Turbo; T-bird Turbo, SC; '89 Cougar, Focus SVT
Ford Taurus SHO, Probe turbo and V6
Honda Prelude VTEC, Del Sol VTEC, Civic SI 2002+
Mazda RX7 13B IRS, MX6GT, Miata 1999+
Merkur XR4Ti
Mini Cooper S (supercharged) 2002+
Mitsubishi Eclipse turbo, Galant VR4, Mirage 16v Turbo
Nissan 200SX 3.0, Sentra SER Spec V
Oldsmobile Starfire Firenza, 305, Quad 4
Peugeot 505 Turbo '88 and newer
Plymouth Laser Turbo
Pontiac Trans Am NOC, Fiero V6
Porsche 944 8v, 924S, 924, 911 under 2.4L
Saab 900, 9000 Turbo
Subaru 2.5L+ Normally Aspirated
Toyota Celica 4WD Turbo, Supra, 2.8, MR2SC, MR2 NA 1990-1995
Volvo 4 cyl Turbo
VW Golf, Jetta, Corrado V6, 1.8 Turbo; Corrado G60, New Beetle Turbo
New SSC:
Acura Integra 3 door
Alfa Romeo Alfetta, GT, Spider 2000, Milano 2.5
AMC Spirit, DL, GT Liftback 258, 4 spd.
Audi Fox, Coupe, 4000, 5000, 80, 90 (including all Quattros)
BMW all 2.0L and less normally aspirated
Buick Opel Isuzu, Skylark, 1.8 HO or 2.0, Skylark, 23i, Skyhawk, 2.8 HO, 4 spd., Skyhawk Turbo
Chevrolet Chevette, Monza, 4 cyl, Cavalier 4 cyl, Citation 4 cyl, FWD V6, Nova 16v
Datsun/Nissan 210, 310, 510, 610, 710, and F-10, 200SX 2.2 5 spd.
Dodge Colt, Colt Turbo, GT2000, Charger2.2, Neon except ACR, 1600, Omni, Challenger 2.5, 024 1.7, 2.2, 2600
Eagle Talon normally aspirated
Fiat 124 Sport Spyder, 131, Spyder 2000, X1/9, 128 Sedan, Strada 1500, 5 spd.
Ford Fiesta, EXP 1.6 HO (non-turbo), Pinto, Escort GT 16V and 4 cyl, Focus 2.0, 2.3, Mustang V6 1964-1998
Geo Prism GSI, Storm GSI
Honda Civic, Civic Si 1975-2001, CVCC, Accord, CRX, CRX Si, Prelude 2.0
Isuzu I-Mark Coupe, RS
Mazda Protege, 808, 1600, GLC, GLC Sport, 626, 626 Turbo, 323, Miata 1990-1997, RX3, RX4, RX7 1979-1985, MX3, Mazda 3
Mercury Bobcat 2.3, LN7 1.6 HO, Lynx, Tracer LTS, Capri 4 cyl and V6; Tracer LTS
MGB, Midget 1500
Mini Cooper normally aspirated
Mitsubishi Eclipse, Galant normally aspirated; Mirage 8-valve turbo, Lancer Noramlly Aspirated
Nissan 1991 NX 1600 & NX 2000, Nissan 240SX, 200SX Turbo, Pulsar 1.8 DOHC, Sentra SER
Oldsmobile Firenza, 1.8 SOHC, 2.0, Starfire, V6, Omega, 2.8 HO
Peugeot 505, 505 Turbo, 405 Mi16,
Plymouth Laser Normally Aspirated, Horizon, TC-3, Arrow 1600, GT, Champ 1.6
Pontiac Phoenix 2.8 HO, Sunbird Turbo, all 4-cyl NA
Renault Fuego Turbo, 1.6, Fuego 2.2, LeCar, Alliance, Encore, GTA
Saab 900 and 9000 16V normally aspirated
Saab 99, 900 and 9000 16V normally aspirated
Subaru normally aspirated 2.2L and under
Suzuki Swift GTI
Toyota Celica GTS 16v, Corolla GTS, FX-16, (1.6 & 2.2), MR2 1985-1989 NA, Corolla, Corona, Starlet 1.3 5spd., Celica, GTS, GT, ST, GT Liftback
Triumph 4-cyl
Volvo 242/4, GT
VW Rabbit, Golf, GTI, Scirocco, all 8 valve, GTI 16v, Jetta 16v, Scirocco 16v, New Beetle 2.0L
This would eliminate the need for the tuner cars that currently start out in ST as well, as they all have SS classes now.
The Gory Details
Here are the notes and numbers from the 2003 season that I based the above class distributions on:
Summarry:
Class total number of entries Grand total of entries % of class total Notes
Formula Prepared 13 462 2.81%
Prepared A 28 462 6.06%
Prepared B 6 462 1.30%
Prepared C 16 462 3.46%
Street Prepared A 31 462 6.71%
Street Prepared B 30 462 6.49%
Street Prepared C 64 462 13.85% 55 of 64 entries were Mazda Miatas
Street Stock GT 25 462 5.41%
Street Stock 1 66 462 14.29%
Street Stock 2 45 462 9.74%
Street Stock 3 30 462 6.49%
Street Stock 4 33 462 7.14% 30 of 33 entries were 1.6L Miatas
Showroom Stock U 18 462 3.90%
Showroom Stock GT 24 462 5.19%
Showroom Stock A 13 462 2.81%
Showroom Stock B 18 462 3.90%
Showroom Stock C 2 462 0.43%
Formula Prepared 13 total entries
Crossle Club Ford = 4 entries 4
Van Diemen FC = 8 entries 8
Shelby Can-Am = 1 entry 1
Prepared A 28 total entries
Cobra Replicas = 19 entries 19
Chevrolet Corvette = 5 entries 5
Chevrolet Monte Carlo = 4 entries 4
Prepared B 6 total entries
BMW LTW = 2 entries 2
BMW 325 = 2 entries 2
Mazda Miata = 2 entries 2
Prepared C 16 total entries
Warrior Monte Carlo = 6 entries
Triumph TR-4 = 5 entries
Audi Coupe GT = 3 entries
Mazda RX-3 = 1 entry
Diasio = 1 entry
Street Prepared A 31 total entries
Cobra Replicas = 12 entries
Ford Mustang = 5 entries
Porsche 911 turbo = 5 entries
Chevrolet Corvette = 2 entries
Viking Twin Turbo = 2 entries
Daytona Coupe Replica = 2 entries
Porsche 944 Turbo = 1 entry
Ultima Can-Am = 1 entry
BMW M3 = 1 entry
Street Prepared B 30 total entries
BMW 325 = 7 entries
Porsche 911 = 7 entries
Datsun 240z = 6 entries
Dodge Omni GLHS = 5 entries
BMW M3 LTW = 2 entries
Eagle Talon Tsi =2 entries
Mitsubishi Eclipse = 1 entry
Street Prepared C 64 total entries
Mazda Miata = 55 entries
Nissan Sentra SER = 6 entries
Honda Del Sol = 1 entry
Lotus Europa = 1 entry
VW Rabbit = 1 entry
Street Stock GT 25 total entries
Porsche 911 Turbo = 10 entries
Lotus Esprit = 8 entries
Mazda RX7 gen 3 = 4 entries
Chevy Corvette = 2 entries
Porsche 911 = 1 entry
Street Stock 1 66 total entries
Ford Mustang = 19 entries
Porsche 944 Turbo = 11 entries
BMW M3 E36 = 10 entries
Ford Lightning = 5 entries
Pontiac Trans-Am = 3 entries
Chevrolet Camaro SS = 3 entries
Nissan 350Z = 2 entries
Lotus Exige = 2 entries
other Porsche = 2 entries
Porsche 911 = 2 entries
Subaru WRX = 1 entry
Subaru WRX Sti = 1 entry
BMW M3 LTW = 1 entry
Audi TT = 1 entry
Porsche 968 = 1 entry
Toyota MR2 Turbo = 1 entry
Chevrolet Malibu = 1 entry
Street Stock 2 45 total entries
Subaru WRX = 20 entries
BMW E30 M3 = 7 entries
BMW 325i/ix = 6 entries
Mazda RX7 Gen 2 = 4 entries
Mitsubishi Eclipse = 3 entries
Honda Prelude = 1 entry
Ford Mustang SVO = 1 entry
VW Jetta 1.8T = 1 entry
BMW E34 535 = 1 entry
Eagle Talon = 1 entry
Street Stock 3 30 total entries
Mazda Miata = 14 entries
Nissan Sentra SER = 7 entries
Plymouth Neon = 5 entries
Plymouth Neon ACR = 2 entries
Nissan 200SX SER = 1 entry
Toyota MR2 gen 1 = 1 entry
Street Stock 4 33 total entries
Mazda Miata = 30 entries
VW GTI = 3 entries
Showroom Stock U 18 total entries
Chevy Corvette = 8 entries
Lotus Esprit = 8 entries
Chevy Malibu = 2 entries
Showroom Stock GT 24 total entries
Subaru WRX = 14 entries
Porsche 911 = 3 entries
Audi TT = 2 entries
BMW 330 = 2 entries
Audi RS6 = 1 entry
Dodge Viper GTS = 1 entry
Toyota MR2 Turbo = 1 entry
Showroom Stock A 13 total entries
Dodge Daytona = 6 entries
BMW 325 = 4 entries
Mini Cooper S = 3 entries
Showroom Stock B 18 total entries
Mazda Miata = 6 entries
Nissan Sentra SER = 5 entries
Alfa Romeo GTV = 2 entries
BMW 2002 = 2 entries
Mazda RX7 gen 1 = 1 entry
Subaru 2.5 RS = 1 entry
Toyota Corolla = 1 entry
Showroom Stock C 2 total entries
Honda Civic = 1 entry
Ford Escort GT = 1 entry
I have more detailed versions if anyone really wants them.
Summarry:
Class total number of entries Grand total of entries % of class total Notes
Formula Prepared 13 462 2.81%
Prepared A 28 462 6.06%
Prepared B 6 462 1.30%
Prepared C 16 462 3.46%
Street Prepared A 31 462 6.71%
Street Prepared B 30 462 6.49%
Street Prepared C 64 462 13.85% 55 of 64 entries were Mazda Miatas
Street Stock GT 25 462 5.41%
Street Stock 1 66 462 14.29%
Street Stock 2 45 462 9.74%
Street Stock 3 30 462 6.49%
Street Stock 4 33 462 7.14% 30 of 33 entries were 1.6L Miatas
Showroom Stock U 18 462 3.90%
Showroom Stock GT 24 462 5.19%
Showroom Stock A 13 462 2.81%
Showroom Stock B 18 462 3.90%
Showroom Stock C 2 462 0.43%
Formula Prepared 13 total entries
Crossle Club Ford = 4 entries 4
Van Diemen FC = 8 entries 8
Shelby Can-Am = 1 entry 1
Prepared A 28 total entries
Cobra Replicas = 19 entries 19
Chevrolet Corvette = 5 entries 5
Chevrolet Monte Carlo = 4 entries 4
Prepared B 6 total entries
BMW LTW = 2 entries 2
BMW 325 = 2 entries 2
Mazda Miata = 2 entries 2
Prepared C 16 total entries
Warrior Monte Carlo = 6 entries
Triumph TR-4 = 5 entries
Audi Coupe GT = 3 entries
Mazda RX-3 = 1 entry
Diasio = 1 entry
Street Prepared A 31 total entries
Cobra Replicas = 12 entries
Ford Mustang = 5 entries
Porsche 911 turbo = 5 entries
Chevrolet Corvette = 2 entries
Viking Twin Turbo = 2 entries
Daytona Coupe Replica = 2 entries
Porsche 944 Turbo = 1 entry
Ultima Can-Am = 1 entry
BMW M3 = 1 entry
Street Prepared B 30 total entries
BMW 325 = 7 entries
Porsche 911 = 7 entries
Datsun 240z = 6 entries
Dodge Omni GLHS = 5 entries
BMW M3 LTW = 2 entries
Eagle Talon Tsi =2 entries
Mitsubishi Eclipse = 1 entry
Street Prepared C 64 total entries
Mazda Miata = 55 entries
Nissan Sentra SER = 6 entries
Honda Del Sol = 1 entry
Lotus Europa = 1 entry
VW Rabbit = 1 entry
Street Stock GT 25 total entries
Porsche 911 Turbo = 10 entries
Lotus Esprit = 8 entries
Mazda RX7 gen 3 = 4 entries
Chevy Corvette = 2 entries
Porsche 911 = 1 entry
Street Stock 1 66 total entries
Ford Mustang = 19 entries
Porsche 944 Turbo = 11 entries
BMW M3 E36 = 10 entries
Ford Lightning = 5 entries
Pontiac Trans-Am = 3 entries
Chevrolet Camaro SS = 3 entries
Nissan 350Z = 2 entries
Lotus Exige = 2 entries
other Porsche = 2 entries
Porsche 911 = 2 entries
Subaru WRX = 1 entry
Subaru WRX Sti = 1 entry
BMW M3 LTW = 1 entry
Audi TT = 1 entry
Porsche 968 = 1 entry
Toyota MR2 Turbo = 1 entry
Chevrolet Malibu = 1 entry
Street Stock 2 45 total entries
Subaru WRX = 20 entries
BMW E30 M3 = 7 entries
BMW 325i/ix = 6 entries
Mazda RX7 Gen 2 = 4 entries
Mitsubishi Eclipse = 3 entries
Honda Prelude = 1 entry
Ford Mustang SVO = 1 entry
VW Jetta 1.8T = 1 entry
BMW E34 535 = 1 entry
Eagle Talon = 1 entry
Street Stock 3 30 total entries
Mazda Miata = 14 entries
Nissan Sentra SER = 7 entries
Plymouth Neon = 5 entries
Plymouth Neon ACR = 2 entries
Nissan 200SX SER = 1 entry
Toyota MR2 gen 1 = 1 entry
Street Stock 4 33 total entries
Mazda Miata = 30 entries
VW GTI = 3 entries
Showroom Stock U 18 total entries
Chevy Corvette = 8 entries
Lotus Esprit = 8 entries
Chevy Malibu = 2 entries
Showroom Stock GT 24 total entries
Subaru WRX = 14 entries
Porsche 911 = 3 entries
Audi TT = 2 entries
BMW 330 = 2 entries
Audi RS6 = 1 entry
Dodge Viper GTS = 1 entry
Toyota MR2 Turbo = 1 entry
Showroom Stock A 13 total entries
Dodge Daytona = 6 entries
BMW 325 = 4 entries
Mini Cooper S = 3 entries
Showroom Stock B 18 total entries
Mazda Miata = 6 entries
Nissan Sentra SER = 5 entries
Alfa Romeo GTV = 2 entries
BMW 2002 = 2 entries
Mazda RX7 gen 1 = 1 entry
Subaru 2.5 RS = 1 entry
Toyota Corolla = 1 entry
Showroom Stock C 2 total entries
Honda Civic = 1 entry
Ford Escort GT = 1 entry
I have more detailed versions if anyone really wants them.
Kevin Foote
#64 SB Nissan 350Z
1998-2003 Chief of Tech
1998-2002 BOD member
SSB Track Record Holder at LRP
#64 SB Nissan 350Z
1998-2003 Chief of Tech
1998-2002 BOD member
SSB Track Record Holder at LRP
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