to loud at tremblant ?

[962porsche]

now knowing the rules are the rules . but in defence of the driver of the red bmw # 274 he should not get DQ for his car being to loud (.3 over the db level ) on his last lap of the time trail . he ran for 2 day and every thing was fine with no black flags for being over the DB level . so with that being said at tracks that take DB levels should we also do them our selfs ? or do we just take the word from an out side source to tell us that a car is over the DB level . if its in our rules that if you get black flaged for being to loud then comscc should be using there own meter and member to police that rule ! this would do two things . 1 if a car is getting say with in one DB of the max sound level of a tracks limit then the car own can be told that there car is getting close to the max DB level . that way the car owner will have for warning that they may go over the limit . 2 comscc would have total control over the testing . were was the red bmw tested ? how far was the meter from the track ?

[John F]

Do a search on the history of this track. The neighbors with the million dollar houses don't want the track there. The owner rubs their noses in it because he is a multi-millionaire. It's been a battle for years between bigger players than us. Nothing you can do except meet the levels by a safe margin.

[naschmitz]

0.3dB over on his last lap of his RERUN because he caught someone in an earlier run group.

Is there a place where we can observe the measurements that the track is taking so I could send someone to look to see what my car was registering? I'd hate to be that guy next time.

[John F]

There are 4 stationary monitors that are wired directly to the local police station. They didn't tell us where they are. I would assume that they trip an alarm at anything over the limit. There is also a portable unit that the track personnel bring to various spots to monitor. I was one of a three car group that got flagged last year at the hairpin (turn but didn't find out it wasn't my car until I pitted. I believe that was the roving one. I agree, it would be nice to have someone warn you if you were close. You do get a warning if you go over the limit, but they don't let you back out until you change something.

[962porsche]

the sad thing is he would have won his class if it was not for the DQ . the club needs to do some thing about this ! i'm still thinking that comscc needs to meter sound levels our selfs . at least for the 2nd day and time attack part of the event . that way if the car is over the level on our meter we can tell the car owner before hand .

[boltonite]

VI. Car Requirements
G. Miscellaneous
3. Track imposed maximum sound limits will be in effect at COM events for all classes. Sound limit at all tracks is
99 Db or less at 50 feet while under power on the track. Each competitor is responsible for meeting track-specific
sound limits. For Time Trials, a noise violation results in disqualification with no points awarded for the event and
no refund.

I suspect this clause was added after someone opened their exhaust for the TT. I'm not saying that happened here but the clause seems squarely aimed at past abuse.

Any member can submit a rules change proposal regarding VI.G.3. Get involved and do the work if you really care.

FF

[naschmitz]

the sad thing is he would have won his class if it was not for the DQ

What time did he run?

[962porsche]

i think his rerun was in run group 15 or 16 . thats when he got the DQ . we all should care ! and i will be submiting a rule change .
i tested my own car before i went up to tremblant . i was 3 DB's under the level on my own meter . but hows to say just what reading there meter will give or was giving on my car ? i even took along an other muffler . but what i'm stating is if your with in say one DB of going over it would be a good idea if the car owner could be told . in a case like his he had no idea that he was even close to going over . lets face it just how many people know the DB level of there car ? i'm looking at it this way . if comscc has a meter on the track 50 feet off the racing line were your on full throttle and you go over the tracks DB level by the comscc's meter you get DQ by comscc . if you go over on only the tracks DB meter you will still get a black flag but only the lap you got black flaged and after would you get DQ . you could keep your times up untill that black flaged lap . so only the comscc DB meter will take precedence .

[naschmitz]

I was asking what lap time did he run. 1:55?

[962porsche]

nerves ???? i think it was a high 1:53 but that was just by the stop watch i had at pit out .

[chaos4NH]

We run by the rules at each track we have an event, period. Self policing is not an option. The track manages these things and each member can clearly see the requirements here on the forum.. Who is to say he wasn't .1 db under the rest of the day? Who is to say he didn't "peddle" it a bit until that last lap? Can't be done? Just ask a certain S2000 driver that had to do just that to stay within the rules. In the end, .1 or 10.1, the rules are the rules.

[962porsche]

do we not self police our cars any way? its up to the car owner to have it safe for the track but comscc checks them ! i did state from the start the rules are the rules !! if some one want to peddle and then go for one hot lap thats fine but if the driver goes over the DB level the lap he went over he's DQ . from how it is now to having comscc also put a meter on the track to tell car owners that they may be in danger of going over and geting a DQ should be no big change . so sam yes how is to say that he took it ez and just wanted to do one full out lap ? and hows to say the owner of the car was not doing there utmost to make every lap there best ? and hows to say that they may not go over on the tracks meter and go over on comscc ? but becouse they went over on the comscc meter they will get a DQ !

[chaos4NH]

I do not believe that COM wants to be the sound policeman. Since it has nothing to do with our safety tech, we should keep it that way. You want to bring your little db toy and travel around the outside (or infield) be my guest. Great that you tested your car, though. Thumbs down on us DQing cars for sound, as I pointed out that is the tracks perogative and their equipment.

[962porsche]

thinking about it ? the way comscc is doing it is the right way ! it was more than far to blind side a member with a DQ .

[zchris]

This is an FYI on sound. A change in temperature or humidity,ie air density can swing db readings 6-7 db. Happens all the time at tracks that care like NHMS and Limerock. Have a bolt on muffler that you can easily change out at the track. Use your Borla straight thru until you blow sound. Then put on the big heavy quiet muffler. Weekends where you have weather centers blow thru overnight are the most troublesome.
Chris H