removing cones on 2nd day

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Re: removing cones on 2nd day

Post by WillM » Wed May 19, 2010 12:41 pm

cuda6666 wrote:I think we should replace the cones with sturdy trees.
L-O-Freakin'-L. I love these forums. :lol:

The cones are a point of reference, no more, no less. The real issue with the cones is that they move, and as such, are unreliable. Immovable reference points, like the crack in the pavement at NHMS T6, the lone birch at Tremblant, and the Continental Tire bridge at Mosport, are much more reliable (though I have yet to actually see or use the lone birch). I think any professional racer is likely to have and use many more reference points than the typical weekend track fanatic. Personally, I pick up as many visual cues as I can and sometimes use the cones as a reference point. Often times, the cones are off place by a foot or two, sometimes even more. Every track I have been to have turn-in, apex, and track-out points demarcated with spray-painted dots. The dots are visible when the cones aren't on top of them. All of these locations were identified by the track engineers.

This brings up a good point. If you have a chance, take a ride with an instructor. You will probably be surprised by the things you see on-track. There is an incredible amount of visual information that you can pickup from the passenger seat. Ask any instructor. Our recent Monticello event was my first time there. I learned more about the track from the passenger seat than I did in the driver seat.

There is a big difference between being shown the points and connecting them, and an even bigger difference between knowing the line and driving it.
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Re: removing cones on 2nd day

Post by paultg » Mon May 31, 2010 6:21 pm

cuda6666 wrote:I think we should replace the cones with sturdy trees.
If you don't already, you should do a hill climb event. :)
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Re: removing cones on 2nd day

Post by cuda6666 » Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:07 pm

I left some parts on Mt. Ascutney the year COM ran that as a points event.
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Re: removing cones on 2nd day

Post by chaos4NH » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:56 am

Please note I had the Turn 3 cone removed for both days.
I like cones as a reference, but I suppose we could remove them and then cover up all those other reference points that "real" race drivers use. You know, the patch of dirt, the spot of paint, etc. After all "real" racers don't need any reference points, right? Hogwash folks, "real" racers have reference points, so let's leave the cone reference points for us who aren't "real" racers.
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Re: removing cones on 2nd day

Post by Stynger » Wed Jun 02, 2010 12:04 pm

No cone at apex of 3 or turn in for 12. Didn't seem to be a problem.

Starting the run groups with no yellow...thumbs up :D

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Re: removing cones on 2nd day

Post by brucesallen » Wed Jun 02, 2010 9:37 pm

I agree, Les.
Instructors were able to get their demo laps done quicker as the student groups were able to get up to speed right away. More time for student.
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Re: removing cones on 2nd day

Post by WillM » Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:27 pm

Thanks for the feedback! We'll continue that going forward.
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