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Spec Miata as street-legal beginner car (2-door Corolla)?

Post by Kai Noeske » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:25 am

So, inspired by Ivy's purchase and a brisk test drive, I have been, uh, cautiously ;) playing with the remote idea of maybe considering a spec miata as a good beginner track / SCCA road racing car.

Are there any obstacles to registering spec miatas on the street, provided they still have their emission system (cat, sensors)? I don't want to buy 5 tons of truck and trailer to move a tiny car that is almost the street-legal version to and from the track.

Admittedly, my current car has the weight and engine displacement of a Miata, 4 doors, a big boot and, come winter, not a fold-up tent in place of a proper roof. However, catering to the particular automotive preferences found in the average American, Toyota gave it a 3-speed auto tranny and a suspension otherwise found in Ikea products. Hence, I do not want to track-prep it, but want to keep it as my daily driver/snow shuttle/surf truck/much-loved friend, possibly with a continued career in autox/ice racing.

I am therefore looking for an easy to fix, manual tranny, caged, harnessed, kill switched, fire extinguishered, tow hooked etc. track rat for COM and the SCCA school. A spec Miata seems to be just that - a 2-door 5-speed RWD Corolla with a tight suspension and 4 disks. Even though they cost twice as much as an ITA/B/C car, it looks like they can be re-sold well, have low maintenance costs and a huge supporting community.

Any opinions will be appreciated!
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Re: Spec Miata as street-legal beginner car (2-door Corolla)?

Post by horizenjob » Wed Nov 18, 2009 11:53 am

I started with COM in a Showroom Stock C car, a Ford Fiesta. At the time VW Rabbits and such were very popular. Modern equivalents are still very practical cars.

When I moved from SSC to Formula Ford, I used my Fiesta to tow a small trailer and the FF. So my Fiesta retained it's usefulness...

Nothing wrong with Spec Miata, just an alternative which was somewhat less glamorous - until I go the FF.
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Re: Spec Miata as street-legal beginner car (2-door Corolla)?

Post by WillM » Wed Nov 18, 2009 12:24 pm

What you really want is an ITA Miata.

You have the thought process a bit backwards. In reality, it is less expensive to build an ITA-legal Miata. The Spec rules mandate many parts & changes that you could easily live without. In ITA, the majority of modifications are optional, and if you do decide on a particular option, it does not have to be the exact specified part. A broad example would be shocks. In Spec Miata, you must run the Spec Miata suspension (which includes bilstein shocks, adjustible coilovers, and specific spring rates). In ITA, you could run any spring/shock combination you like, as long as it does not have remote canisters or more than two adjustments. So, in ITA, it would be perfectly legal to run the stock suspension. Keep in mind that the premise of Spec Miata is to provide a standardized platform for competitors. That means that as a racer, you are limited in choice. With an ITA car, you have the option of buying off-brand used parts and such.

I had a '93 Miata that I ran with COM for several years.
At first, the car was run in ST4. At that time, the car had a bolt-in Hard Dog Hard Core M2 roll bar. It was street legal and I could daily drive it. The passenger-side seat mounts were modified to allow a driver-side seat to be bolted in. Both front seats were on driver-side seat sliders. I would drive out to events with a race seat in the passenger side and a stock seat in the driver side. WHen I arrived to the event, I'd swap seats. The car had a full interior and was otherwise prepped and legal for ST4. No problems daily driving or passing Mass inspections, and a heck of a fun track car. I had a small tire trailer that I would tow to/from events. It was really a lot of fun, and in some ways I miss it. Some of the best trips I've been on with COM were to the Canadian events with that car. Having a truck & trailer is great, but there are trade-offs.

A couple of seasons later I decided I wanted a rollcage and to get into SCCA racing, but I would still drive the car to/from events. I purchased a used '99 Miata glass-window convertible top and installed it on the car. This particular glass top can work with rollbars & cages with rear supports. I then took the car to Chris Howard to have a custom cage installed. The cage had to work with the folding soft top, be SCCA legal, and otherwise as tall and as safe as possible. That is exactly what I got. Instead of gutting the doors and running door bars, we went with "x" braces. This allowed me to keep the electric windows and such operational. The result was exactly what I wanted. Same capable and fun car, relatively the same street-driving convenience, more cage, SCCA legal.

Later down the road I used that car at an SCCA school and then a season of races. Many people at the event thought I was a bit nuts for driving to and from the events in that car. I was asked many times "you DO know what happens at these events, right?", this was a reference to car-to-car contact. I was able to keep the car relatively clean during its stint with the SCCA, but it took work. I was aware that I had to drive the car home and had no interest in balling it up, and drove very conservatively. Finishing first would have been awesome, but my goal was to make it out unscathed! It is fun, it is possible, but as all things in life, there are compromises and one must take the good with the bad. I do not have a single regret.

I built another car and let that one sit for a season before selling it to another COM member early this year.

I should also say that my good friend Gordon did pretty much exactly the same with his first track Miata. Both of our cars were developed at the same time and it was a lot of fun and helpful to have two similar cars with similar goals to build and experiment with. The biggest difference between the 2 cars was that mine was a 1.6 and his a 1.8. Other than that, they were both black cars with red tops, and the color choice was purely a coincidence, honest. We used to call them "evil twins".

Both cars are now owned by other COM members who still have them registered and on the road in Massachusetts, yet still know how to make 'em move on the track.

When I bought my current car, I found a deal on a black Miata and then a deal on a red hardtop, so I guess black Miatas and red hardtops must be pretty common. That at least explains why there are 3 of them that run with COM. :)

In any event, I would suggest you find yourself a 90-95 Miata. These are "ODB-I" cars which will make passing Mass state inspections a lot easier. The 94-95 cars have a slightly bigger engine, slightly bigger brakes, and a better limited-slip differential. The 90-93 cars aren't bad, but the 94-95 cars are just a slight improvement. I wouldn't hesitate to build either.

While it is usually more affordable to purchase an already-built race car, that is not exactly what you are looking for. You are after a street-legal race car, which is almost an oxymoron. Most race cars have removed the airbag system, emission controls, etc. It would be cheaper to buy a street-legal car and make it a race car, then to buy a race car and attempt to make it street legal.

Of course, should either of the black/red Miatas mentioned above come up for sale, JUMP on it. You'd probably have to pry the keys out of their hands though. ;)

By the way, I type extremely fast and seldom spell-check, so apologies in advance.
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Re: Spec Miata as street-legal beginner car (2-door Corolla)?

Post by TroyV » Wed Nov 18, 2009 1:21 pm

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Addendum: This car has been super reliable for me. 4300 or so track miles in it this year.....all for one set of pads, three oil changes, and a radiator. ...and I haven't really been taking it easy either. I've been pushing that car rather hard. Still, the last post Will wrote is the most information I have about the car. You know as much about it as I do. ;) In fact, I bet most of the regulars at COM know more about the car than I do. LOL

There is no way I could have gotten nearly as many track miles out of my previous car without blowing it up.
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Re: Spec Miata as street-legal beginner car (2-door Corolla)?

Post by WillM » Wed Nov 18, 2009 2:58 pm

Yes, I should also add that this car never, ever, ever, left me stranded or broke down at an event. There may have been a few minor issues (exhaust manifold cracked - twice), but nothing that I couldn't fix at the track or left me without a way to get home from Canada.
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Re: Spec Miata as street-legal beginner car (2-door Corolla)?

Post by CP » Wed Nov 18, 2009 3:17 pm

I kinda did the same thing you're talking about doing. Bought a mint 99 Miata about 3 years ago and drove it on the street that fall. Then gutted the interior, had an SCCA-legal cage installed and put in the SM suspension over the winter. I drove it to HPDE/TT events for a year towing a big tire trailer. Those drives to the Glen were miserable, hot, loud, and tough on the backside while not being the safest idea I've ever had. However the Miata is a very robust car that typically won't leave you stranded at the track due to mechanical issues.

Last winter I converted it over to 100% compliant for SM racing and unregistered the car, bought a truck and trailer and went racing this past season. I've never had more fun in a car, with or without my clothes on. I met some great new friends, really learned how to drive a car (with 40 other crazies buzzing around me) and can't wait until next season begins. There is a welcome family environment/feel much like COM that I really enjoy, and everyone for the most part parties and sleeps at the track on race weekends which is nice. It means the day isn't over when the last cars come off track.

As far as the ITA/SM dilemma, my impression is that you'll be spending more money to build an ITA Miata than a mid-pack Spec Miata. Every ITA Miata that I've seen has had crazy engine and suspension work performed. The cars in an ITA race don't appear to run similar speeds either, so the fields stretch out alot. In an SM race, you'll always have similarly prepared cars to race with. The starts are awesome to both watch and be a part of. The fields typically split up into little packs after a few laps, but you'll always have some cars to race with until the checked flag falls.

The difference, for me at least, between HPDE/TT and racing is the amount of concentration it takes to run fast and finish as best you can. I'm always thinking about what I can do in the next corner to gain a few feet on the car in front of me. Then once I get to him, how am I going to get by him? This strategizing isn't there in a non-racing environment and that's what makes racing exciting for me. However I'm mentally exhausted after a race. All I want to do is grab a bite to eat, sit down with a beer and talk with my buddies about how each of our races went. All the more fun if I was actually racing against one of them that afternoon.

As far as the contact during racing goes, there is always that possibility. Door dings and rubber donuts on the side of my car are normal. Big wrecks are uncommon and most of the time any damage is fixable before the next track session. Personally I wouldn't try to drive to the track, race the car and then drive it home. I'd think this would take the competitive nature out of the racing experience. Will mentioned this. For me, if I'm not going for it 100%, then what's the point? Yes I'm there to protect my car, but I'm not going to roll over and give up a position if someone wants to get into it with me.

What I would suggest is finding the car that will suit your immediate needs, keeping in mind what you'd like to do with it down the road. I'd highly recommend getting a season under your belt with the car in a non-competitive environment so you can learn how that particular car reacts and what it takes to make the car go fast. When I went from an AWD turbo car to the Miata with less than 1/3 the horsepower I had to learn how to drive all over again, as some bad habits became glaringly obvious without the AWD and power acting as a crutch anymore. I think I would have been at a severe handicap if I'd jumped right into racing in a new platform. That's just me though. Some people may thrive on jumping right in and going for it. I'm a bit more conservative.

If you can put together a car that is SCCA legal (including all the required safety gear) I'd highly recommend participating in a novice school at one of the various tracks around here. The DC region holds one at the end of March at Summit Point and the NE region has theirs at NHMS in April. There's also one at the Glen in October every year. You'll get a TON of track time and will be able to do some passing in corners while not being in the high pressure situation of an actual race. They end the schools with some practice starts and a short race. It's alot of fun.

Come to the track for an SCCA race next year and I'll show you around and let you see how a typical race weekend goes down. It was all new to me last year too and I'm grateful to the guys that helped me get acclimated. COM is a GREAT club to bridge the gap between the typical HPDE and racing. Lots of Miatas to run with, driven by very capable drivers, many of whom have previous racing experience. Racing isn't for everyone. Some love it; others try it and back out soon thereafter. I sacrificed my car to the Turn 2 wall at NHMS in September and am in the process of building another one in my garage this winter. There is always the risk that your car won't return home driveable or even salvageable. But this is a risk we take and accept as possible.

I captured a bunch of Spec Miata racing footage this year if you're interested: http://www.vimeo.com/user1787044/videos

Feel free to contact me offline with any questions you may have. I sent you a PM with some contact info.

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Re: Spec Miata as street-legal beginner car (2-door Corolla)?

Post by Kai Noeske » Wed Nov 18, 2009 9:47 pm

:shock: You guys rock!!! :D :D :D

Give me a moment with the replies...
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Post by Kai Noeske » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:18 pm

Thanks a ton all of you!
horizenjob wrote:I started with COM in a Showroom Stock C car, a Ford Fiesta. At the time VW Rabbits and such were very popular. Modern equivalents are still very practical cars.

When I moved from SSC to Formula Ford, I used my Fiesta to tow a small trailer and the FF. So my Fiesta retained it's usefulness...

Nothing wrong with Spec Miata, just an alternative which was somewhat less glamorous - until I go the FF.
Here is what I wrote Cy - I was leaning to IT because cars looked more economic to buy and tend to look a bit more badass, which I like. Then again, spec miata just has so much support, while in IT you work on a more exotic/less standard car partly on your own, which may just be more pricy - which I figured IT may anyway end up being because it looks like it allows more mods than SM .

Now, Combining what Will and Cy wrote, it seems that the requirements for 'spec' may initially make SM more costly than a basic ITA car where the mods are *optional* - so IT may be better as a beginner car where winning is not the issue but having a car and seat time is. Once competition becomes an issue, running SM may be cheaper than trying to make an IT car competitive. Good to know - looks like it may be worth looking into a beginner IT miata first, and maybe make it SM-compliant later.

I don't have a preference for Miatae, but the wide support may be a strong argument - the only IT cars with a similarly wide support (again, good community and part support matter for me) seem to be Rabbits and Civics, and I just happen to be not very fond of either for no rational reason. (Never drove a GTI, but did driving school in Germany in a diesel rabbit, and also towed a Merc across the country with a friend's rabbit at night with the Merc's battery empty, lights off and a nylon rope that broke mid-way - don't ask - anyway I dislike rabbits/golfs; drove a Civic and liked it, but still - might just be the unconditional Toyota love). Too bad there are no Merc race cars. The Cosworth 190E 2.6-16 is apparently great in terms of durability and handling, but has little power (<170 hp in the US version for a 3000 lb car), and again, there is no community support...

On the towing vs street-legal race car issue: I am on a 'postdoctoral researcher' time-limited contract, may move in the next 1-2 years, and am hence renting an apartment. I can rent a garage to keep the racecar, but don't have space for a trailer and don't want to buy a towing vehicle - also, for a short time horizon, these are not reasonable purchases - and my Corolla cannot responsibly tow another 2000lb car on a trailer. I was only partially aware of how nasty it can be to drive your racer to and from the track - thanks for sharing the stories.

Nevertheless, I got the racing bug really really badly and in my current situation, have no option but suck it up and drive a noisy, rattly, uncomfortable street legal race car to the track, and do not even care if it's competitive on the track. It's about getting started and getting on the track and enjoying the company and the fun. Besides, I drove my 'rolla back the 6 hrs from a weekend with SCDA at New Jersey Motorsports Park, with my Falken tires still on and two bent alloys (bloody worn curbs at Lightning) - does not get much worse than that, but by having to go slow, I got 33 mpg :D. Loud noise can be bearable by keeping a music system in the car and listening to "Initial D" Eurobeat tunes, the Scorpions, Boston, Iron Maiden, with Volume on "high".

I haven't decided yet, may follw Cy's advice and see what DWW have and what the options and prices are for prepping a Miata...

Thanks again for all your help! You guys are awesome!!!
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Re: Spec Miata as street-legal beginner car (2-door Corolla)?

Post by Kai Noeske » Thu Nov 19, 2009 12:58 pm

On the other hand, I am sure my parents would rather say

"Our boy is an IT person"

than:

"Our son goes to SM events" :D !!!
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Re: Spec Miata as street-legal beginner car (2-door Corolla)?

Post by granracing » Thu Nov 19, 2009 1:46 pm

Since you pointed me over here Kai. :D

Because driving the car to the track is your only option, just make sure you’re better prepared. Have a plan if things go wrong and you can’t drive the car home for one reason or another. Stuff like how you’d get home, how to get the car home eventually, and how to coordinate transportation to work or where ever you might need to go. Ideally you’ll be able to keep the rolla’ and whatever you decide to race.

With regards to an already-built racecar versus street car and building it… Continue to keep your eyes open and be ready if a great deal turns up. Beyond the expense factor, you also need to remember the time and where to work on it factors.

“As far as the ITA/SM dilemma, my impression is that you'll be spending more money to build an ITA Miata than a mid-pack Spec Miata. Every ITA Miata that I've seen has had crazy engine and suspension work performed.”

I agree with what the earlier post said about having to purchase various part to conform with SM rules. That could present a bigger up-front cost if you want a bare bones car to get out on the track and race. It doesn’t cost more to build an ITA Miata than other ITA cars. It just so happens that some of the ITA Miatas out there are quite well built.

“The cars in an ITA race don't appear to run similar speeds either, so the fields stretch out alot. In an SM race, you'll always have similarly prepared cars to race with.”

In both IT and SM, the fields are big and diverse enough that you’ll rarely have a problem finding someone to race with.

“Once competition becomes an issue, running SM may be cheaper than trying to make an IT car competitive.”

Any car whether it be SM, IT, or Spec Corolla can be as expensive as you make it. Trust me, I’ve seen some SM cars that have a TON of money into it between the initial build, tuning, and testing.

I do think a Miata could be a good option. You have plenty of choices with it – SM, ITA, and SSM. Check out the SSM rules:

http://www.atlantascca.org/club-racing/ ... rules.html

Have you been to any SCCA road racing events? Next year, skip one of the autocrosses and join us at an event. That will be a big help for you to determine what is the appropriate match based on what you want.

Or maybe you should ditch the Corolla and buy a used Miata for street and track use? Think your girlfriend would trade cars? lol

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Post by cuppatea » Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:24 pm

Nice try Dave! :roll:

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Post by jeffw » Thu Nov 19, 2009 2:47 pm

WillM wrote:What you really want is an ITA Miata.

Both cars are now owned by other COM members who still have them registered and on the road in Massachusetts, yet still know how to make 'em move on the track.
I'm the other new owner of the other black/red car. I started 4 years ago with another black/red miata (though I had the lack of foresight to get the red top painted black). It was caged, had seats/harnessses and no airbags. I never had a problem with it passing inspection, though you may have to find a flexible inspection shop. If you're near Somerville I can suggest a good one. I drove this to the track with a tire trailer and never had issues getting home. Photos of that car's build are at http://www.smoe.org/jeffw/gallery-new/miata_track_car

At the start of this year, I sold my car to another COM member (see the trend) and bought Gordon's. I did 40 days at the track this year, driving it to the track until July when I bought a Very Large Truck to haul it to the track. At that point, the Miata decided it didn't need to make it thru events anymore and broke at 3 nearly consecutive events (one was a hub after I lent Jeff Baker my spare, the others were an engine and a clutch).

I'm thinking very hard about getting my SCCA license next year, depending on the winter projects on the car. My current car would be in IT as well. I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better car that will teach you how to drive. I started with an Audi, and the Miata keeps teaching me things.
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Re: Spec Miata as street-legal beginner car (2-door Corolla)?

Post by Kai Noeske » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:00 pm

Dave: Hush, she is reading... :wink: ... and you have no idea what I have been through since she fell in love with that car ;)
The hardest I will ever get to drive it without her releasing her attack cat at me was my test drive with the vendor while she was not inside. :D

Re. ditching the 'rolla, let me put it this way - I parked it on the street so I can see it from above first thing in the morning to warm an old man's heart, and I have a little altar on my book shelf with the 3-wheeling photo from the autox, and my 2nd place trophy from the time trial...!

Back to topic - thanks for your advice. Yes, I will need to look for a car that's either ready to race, or one that's a good deal and needs few mods that a race shop can put in for affordable money - not much time and no proper space to work on the car - hope to one day own a big garage with a lift and have lots of time (latter part: unlikely to ever happen). Combining what all of you said, basically any good deal that's track legal and safe, and has good community support, will be fine to get started with. Will keep eyes open.

It will be great to go see an SCCA racing weekend. If only it was spring already!!! Season ended for me 12 days ago, and I set up my play station to practice passing in GT4, but it does not ease the pain. Will try if helmet, gloves, nomex underwear add a tad of reality...

By the way, everyone, meet Dave :) . He played a major part in pushing the racing drug on me...
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Post by Kai Noeske » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:10 pm

Jeff: re. inspection shop in Somerville - I do happen to live in Cambridge :D !!!

Your car looks damn fine! Once anyone in COM is parting with something similar, I see my wallet take a hit.

Needs pirate flags & racing stripe though ;)
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Post by granracing » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:14 pm

Nice try Dave!
LOL!!! I read that and quickly e-mailed Kai thinking, shoot, that's probably Ivy. Still laughing though! Okay, here's one for Kai. Why don't you get a Miata, let Ivy use it for SM or SSM and you use it for ITA? Double dip at racing weekend events!

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