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- breakaway500
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Steven,I did hear from the owner of the Ebay car and it is a tough call about fit.I will def take you up on the offer to sit in your car at NHMS3. Just need to see if my knees are going to be a problem.
Do they (scca)run the stock Zetec as delivered from Ford? Stock cams,compression(9.6-1) stock pmr rods?Do they use fuel injection?
I suppose I could always have both powerplants available (stock and modded) if I ever wanted to conform to their specs. I have a few motors and setups now.
I am not sure about the motorcycle powered cars.I considered a Radical before buying the Atom. I prefer the ruggedness of a car designed drivetrain I suppose. Not saying the bike stuff isn't tough,it just seems a bit...flimsy to me. There is a very nice Diasio D962 chassis on Ebay that would be a fun ride for sure.It's in Florida,so tough to get a good feeling on fit in that car as well.
Guess I should have been a half back instead of a car nut.That would have made Dad happy too...sorry Dad.
Do they (scca)run the stock Zetec as delivered from Ford? Stock cams,compression(9.6-1) stock pmr rods?Do they use fuel injection?
I suppose I could always have both powerplants available (stock and modded) if I ever wanted to conform to their specs. I have a few motors and setups now.
I am not sure about the motorcycle powered cars.I considered a Radical before buying the Atom. I prefer the ruggedness of a car designed drivetrain I suppose. Not saying the bike stuff isn't tough,it just seems a bit...flimsy to me. There is a very nice Diasio D962 chassis on Ebay that would be a fun ride for sure.It's in Florida,so tough to get a good feeling on fit in that car as well.
Guess I should have been a half back instead of a car nut.That would have made Dad happy too...sorry Dad.
It's not what you drive, it's how you drive. "Lap times matter"
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Well, i use padding on the right/left sides of the frame/bars so when i drive my knees are basically 'locked' together. Some guys do away with padding, others use knee pads...breakaway500 wrote:Steven,I did hear from the owner of the Ebay car and it is a tough call about fit.I will def take you up on the offer to sit in your car at NHMS3. Just need to see if my knees are going to be a problem.
The engine is remapped. Not sure what other mods other than intake restriction. Ask the guy on Apex SpeedDo they (scca)run the stock Zetec as delivered from Ford? Stock cams,compression(9.6-1) stock pmr rods?Do they use fuel injection?
Hey, my folks wanted a doctor or a lawyer so... you and me BOTH!...Guess I should have been a half back instead of a car nut. That would have made Dad happy too...sorry Dad.
i have a feeling the real issue may be the size 12 shoe quite frankly. The pedal box in the car here is VERY tight. Took me a bit to get comfortable with it and every now and then i find myself getting 'tied up' in it. When i saw the pedals in the FC made by Mygale i liked that better, yet finances being what they are... A pedal setup in an F1 are really great, they truly separate the feet and are fit to the driver. Of course i'd not want to know what their pedal boxes cost(!).
Anywho, you REALY REALLY should be asking the FC guys on the www.ApexSpeed.com discussion board. There are many MUCH MORE knowledgeable and experienced guys there than the info lowly ol' me can provide. So go to Apex Speed and ask those guys.
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Steven, received this response:
"Hello Mark, I spoke to the original builder of the car (Amores Motorsports) and he informd me that this car was built for a Wall Street guy that weighed around 245 lbs. and measured around 6' 2" to 6' 3". This car was customized into a "wider than normal" Van Diemen so keep that in mind."
Sounds mighty promising. If it were only closer. Well,might be out of my budget range anyway. But,like you have said,a little more money spent now is worth it in the long run.
"Hello Mark, I spoke to the original builder of the car (Amores Motorsports) and he informd me that this car was built for a Wall Street guy that weighed around 245 lbs. and measured around 6' 2" to 6' 3". This car was customized into a "wider than normal" Van Diemen so keep that in mind."
Sounds mighty promising. If it were only closer. Well,might be out of my budget range anyway. But,like you have said,a little more money spent now is worth it in the long run.
It's not what you drive, it's how you drive. "Lap times matter"
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Steven,what do you know about Mygales FC cars? There is a 90's Zetec powered one for sale in Ct.,well sorted with many spares/tools etc.(found it on apexspeed) I'm going to go down for a "fitting" when I get back from Mosport.From what I have read,they are an excellent tuneable chassis and can be set up for larger drivers.
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Formula cars are a lot of fun. And way easier to work on then a car with fenders. I was sold the first 50' I drove one, it so obviously worked compared to everything with fenders I drove before. When I got it up on a pair of sawhorses and realized I could work on the left and right sides of the car without walking around it, I got religion. Stripped it to bare metal and the nuts and bolts filled the bottom 3 inches of a small coffee can...
I bought my first FF, a Crossle 16f, for $3500. A few years later I upgraded to a Van Dieman 78, for $5500 and sold the old car for what I bought it.
It might make sense to learn on an FF for a year or two, it will cost less to fix if it becomes subject to a little abrupt wear and tear. Faster cars don't necessarily have better competition. An FF would generally be one of the faster cars at a COM event.
Your height it probably not a problem. You tailor a formula car to the driver, so new seat brackets, move the pedals around etc. It's another nice thing about formula cars.
I love shifting the Hewland in a 1600 FF. I didn't know when I started you weren't supposed to use the clutch, but one day the clutch fork broke and there I was. You really feel like your getting with the program when you learn to do your downshifts with no clutch on the way in to a turn. And when you can short shift two gears down on the way in...
I used to lend my car to other drivers ( and even corner workers... ) One day the guy's feet were a little big, but he wanted that drive - so he gave a quick look around, ditched his shoes and went in his socks! Three laps later and he was just 2 seconds off the lap record. He hadn't driven an event in may years, but the smile on his face when he got out I still remember. It was Monty Wells, our chief instructor for many years. Not many people in our club ever saw it - but I will testify he could drive the wheels off a car!
I bought my first FF, a Crossle 16f, for $3500. A few years later I upgraded to a Van Dieman 78, for $5500 and sold the old car for what I bought it.
It might make sense to learn on an FF for a year or two, it will cost less to fix if it becomes subject to a little abrupt wear and tear. Faster cars don't necessarily have better competition. An FF would generally be one of the faster cars at a COM event.
Your height it probably not a problem. You tailor a formula car to the driver, so new seat brackets, move the pedals around etc. It's another nice thing about formula cars.
I love shifting the Hewland in a 1600 FF. I didn't know when I started you weren't supposed to use the clutch, but one day the clutch fork broke and there I was. You really feel like your getting with the program when you learn to do your downshifts with no clutch on the way in to a turn. And when you can short shift two gears down on the way in...
I used to lend my car to other drivers ( and even corner workers... ) One day the guy's feet were a little big, but he wanted that drive - so he gave a quick look around, ditched his shoes and went in his socks! Three laps later and he was just 2 seconds off the lap record. He hadn't driven an event in may years, but the smile on his face when he got out I still remember. It was Monty Wells, our chief instructor for many years. Not many people in our club ever saw it - but I will testify he could drive the wheels off a car!
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I really like the idea of a Zetec engine, as I have lots of experience working on them and tons of spare parts. The ease of repair is a biggie for me.I work on cars all week and would rather be driving than wrenching.However,machines all break down.The easier it is to repair,the quicker I can get back on track. I don't need a car to do street duty,and I believe in minimalistic cars,so the formula design is my cup of tea.
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As much as I like the Ariel,it is not a true race/track car any more than my Focus. I do plan on using the Atom on track once I get more seat time,and am familiar with the protocol involved in track days.
The Formula cars,in my opinion,are the best design for on track performance for the money.They are designed to go fast,period.
They also require honed skills to operate properly.
Finding out as much as I can before buying one is my first step to driving one on track.By the time I am ready to run one,I hope to have learned enough on track skills to be safe and confident.
I still have the car(truck) I drove to high school.(no,it's not a model A)so..If you are waiting for my Atom ,you will be attending my estate sale.
If you're serious about owning one,I do have some good leads...
The Formula cars,in my opinion,are the best design for on track performance for the money.They are designed to go fast,period.
They also require honed skills to operate properly.
Finding out as much as I can before buying one is my first step to driving one on track.By the time I am ready to run one,I hope to have learned enough on track skills to be safe and confident.
I still have the car(truck) I drove to high school.(no,it's not a model A)so..If you are waiting for my Atom ,you will be attending my estate sale.
If you're serious about owning one,I do have some good leads...
It's not what you drive, it's how you drive. "Lap times matter"
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I found my FF worked so much better then the street cars I had driven that it just worked naturally for me. It was nearly effortless to drive...They also require honed skills to operate properly.
For instance the brakes. The pedal feels like it has a brick under it. It just doesn't give and it only moves about half an inch before the pads hit the disks. The pads used to last me a year or so (ds11). That's a big load off your mind right there. They don't fade and they don't wear out, and they're just puny little things, not even vented.
We used to get more of these cars at COM events. I remember as many as seven showing up for time trials. They used to be classed in AP with the corvettes and such and it worked well. I didn't mind losing to a 'vette, though I beat most. Then we got classed with the former Formula Libre cars, which was pretty hopeless and I think that discouraged people, but who knows...
I am ignorant of some modern classes but I don't think the Zetec was successful in Formula Ford type cars. It is a good bit bulkier and heavier then a cross flow, which is actually a nice motor. Only about 20" tall and 50 lbs lighter. Imagine strapping a 50 pond sandbag to the back of one of these things and you will start to get the idea.
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The formula continentals do use the Zetec motor,although I remember reading that the newest versions are using the Duratec. FF cars can be converted to the Zetec (from what I have read).
Regardless,I like the Zetec and would willingly sacrifice a bit of weight. I have found the Zetec to be a dependable,cost effective unit with lots of additional power available with forced induction kits.Not legal for spec Continental racing,but available
I am only at the inquiry stage of formula ownership and appreciate all imformation received. Thanks!
Regardless,I like the Zetec and would willingly sacrifice a bit of weight. I have found the Zetec to be a dependable,cost effective unit with lots of additional power available with forced induction kits.Not legal for spec Continental racing,but available
I am only at the inquiry stage of formula ownership and appreciate all imformation received. Thanks!
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Formula Fords must use the Kent, Pinto 1600 cc engine. Recently new head and crank options are available.breakaway500 wrote:The formula continentals do use the Zetec motor,although I remember reading that the newest versions are using the Duratec. FF cars can be converted to the Zetec (from what I have read).
Regardless,I like the Zetec and would willingly sacrifice a bit of weight. I have found the Zetec to be a dependable,cost effective unit with lots of additional power available with forced induction kits.Not legal for spec Continental racing,but available
I am only at the inquiry stage of formula ownership and appreciate all imformation received. Thanks!
SCCA Formula Continental used to require the pinto 2 liter overhead cam but a couple of years ago were allowed to use the Zetec 2 liter with a restrictor plate. Some FC Pinto owners have upgraded.
"FF 2000" is a pro racing series, not part of SCCA club racing that uses the unrestricted Zetec 2 liter.
The only Duratec formula class is the FE (Formula Enterprises) that I drive. It runs a spec, sealed engine 2.3 L Mazda Duratec 16V fuel injected engine.
Full details in the SCCA General Competition Rules available at SCCA.org for free.
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