Do 2018 rule changes reset all track records?

[SmokinS4]

Hi,
As I was reviewing the rules, my car falls into the dyno requirement, making it go from T-40 (2017) to T-50 (2018) on the same tires/same weight.
For another example, Jeff Wasilko is calculating up at least one whole class as well.
What's the policy on track events, when the rules are not nearly comparable to the previous year rules?

For those who were not impacted by the rule changes, it means that the bar is impossibly set.

This is the equivalent of paving Watkins Glen. It's all new

Thoughts?

Discuss,

[SandyClam]

Why would you being in a new class reset a track record? If you want to challenge a T40 track record next year, make your car T40 legal. Rules change almost every year, if we had to reset track records every time a new tire came out, or a new car was introduced... you might as well give everyone a track record for their particular car/mods/tire pressures/time of the day.

And where are the 2018 rules? I don't see them posted anywhere.

[Mick]

We did reset the track records in 2013, after the complete rule-set overhaul. I haven't seen the new rules but cant imagine they warrant another reset.

The only other times we reset records is when a track is re-paved or otherwise modified in a way that might affect times - Like if Raj knocks a retaining wall back 2 ft

[TroyV]

The rules have been debated and voted upon... I'd expect them to be published just after the first of the year. Our Chief Steward will put a post up in the rules forum that explains the changes.

[SmokinS4]

Hi Sandy,

Sorry, I was at the last BoD meeting where the results of the rules were discussed. As someone pointed out, they'll be published very soon.

My point was that the rule change was so dramatic, what's the policy of when records get reset? Like the rule change of 2013 and the repave of Watkins Glen, as mentioned by Mick.

Why would you being in a new class reset a track record? If you want to challenge a T40 track record next year, make your car T40 legal. Rules change almost every year, if we had to reset track records every time a new tire came out, or a new car was introduced... you might as well give everyone a track record for their particular car/mods/tire pressures/time of the day.

And where are the 2018 rules? I don't see them posted anywhere.

[SandyClam]

Once the rest of the club get a chance to review the rules, I am sure we will have some more fruitful discussion. From my perspective, which is mostly worthless, something like a repave/reconfiguration of a track, or the release of an entirely new set of classes is pretty easy to justify a change in records.
If we change how cars fit into existing class, I am not sure that fits the bill.
On the other hand, if the rule change was such that it upended the majority of class participants AND made the classes slower, it might be a good idea to consider.

[SmokinS4]

Once the rest of the club get a chance to review the rules, I am sure we will have some more fruitful discussion. From my perspective, which is mostly worthless, something like a repave/reconfiguration of a track, or the release of an entirely new set of classes is pretty easy to justify a change in records.
If we change how cars fit into existing class, I am not sure that fits the bill.
On the other hand, if the rule change was such that it upended the majority of class participants AND made the classes slower, it might be a good idea to consider.

Agreed.

[SandyClam]

When are we going to see these new rules? Inquiring minds want to know!

[TroyV]

Very soon. Derek is just tying up some loose ends.

[6PAK72]

IMO, FWIW, this set of rules changes qualify potentially as drastic a change as the re-class of T/S.

I urge the membership to review them and voice opinions to BOD members. The BOD is here to act in the interest of the club so we need to hear your input.

[cfossum]

Drastic? I'd say so.
Speaking personally, if I wanted to place a bridge ported engine in an RX7, the old assessment added 2 points. The new assessment conceivably adds a whopping 52 points. A clean 2500% increase. Yup. Drastic.
-Carl

[AndrewG]

I read through the revised rule book this weekend and thought the changes were pretty minor; certainly nothing that would reset all the track records.
I actually think most of the classes will be a little bit faster this coming year because the tire points went down for most people, so they'll be able to remove a little weight or whatever and run a little faster.
The only way I see cars moving UP a whole class (or more) would be if their (newly required) dyno results produced way more "assessment points" than taking the modification points. In that case, I see it as moving a car back to its "correct" class because the classes are (mostly) based on power to weight. If the "modification points" were perfect, the dyno would result in exactly the same assessment as adding up the modifications.
Is there anything that I'm missing? I'm open to changing my mind. But, I think we should only reset records if it's absolutely required. It's not an accomplishment to set a track record if we reset them every time we tweak the rules.

-Andrew
#626 T30 Miata

[blindsidefive0]

I read through the revised rule book this weekend and thought the changes were pretty minor; certainly nothing that would reset all the track records.
I actually think most of the classes will be a little bit faster this coming year because the tire points went down for most people, so they'll be able to remove a little weight or whatever and run a little faster.
The only way I see cars moving UP a whole class (or more) would be if their (newly required) dyno results produced way more "assessment points" than taking the modification points. In that case, I see it as moving a car back to its "correct" class because the classes are (mostly) based on power to weight. If the "modification points" were perfect, the dyno would result in exactly the same assessment as adding up the modifications.
Is there anything that I'm missing? I'm open to changing my mind. But, I think we should only reset records if it's absolutely required. It's not an accomplishment to set a track record if we reset them every time we tweak the rules.

-Andrew
#626 T30 Miata

Exactly

[paultg]

I read through the revised rule book this weekend and thought the changes were pretty minor; certainly nothing that would reset all the track records.
I actually think most of the classes will be a little bit faster this coming year because the tire points went down for most people, so they'll be able to remove a little weight or whatever and run a little faster.
The only way I see cars moving UP a whole class (or more) would be if their (newly required) dyno results produced way more "assessment points" than taking the modification points. In that case, I see it as moving a car back to its "correct" class because the classes are (mostly) based on power to weight. If the "modification points" were perfect, the dyno would result in exactly the same assessment as adding up the modifications.
Is there anything that I'm missing? I'm open to changing my mind. But, I think we should only reset records if it's absolutely required. It's not an accomplishment to set a track record if we reset them every time we tweak the rules.

-Andrew
#626 T30 Miata

Exactly

What they said. - Paul G.

[eastcoastbumps]

Well said Drew

Drastic? I'd say so.
Speaking personally, if I wanted to place a bridge ported engine in an RX7, the old assessment added 2 points. The new assessment conceivably adds a whopping 52 points. A clean 2500% increase. Yup. Drastic.
-Carl

Carl, care to elaborate? Bridge porting now requires a dyno. The rule is in parallel to internal engine modifications on a piston engine also requiring a dyno.

The only way you're moving up 52pts with a bridge ported engine in an FC is if its making 360whp/345tq vs its factory rated 148 flywheel hp/136tq.